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Ottenbach ZH - baptism - 1670 - Sidler - Melchior

Kent Gardiner
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October 1, 2024 edited October 1, 2024 in Social Groups

First document:

https://www.gatheringgardiners.com/2019/12/melchior-sidler-1670-dec-after-1711.html

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  • WSeelentag
    WSeelentag ✭✭✭✭✭
    October 1, 2024

    den 25. t(en) Augusti [1670]

    Kind: Melcher.

    Elter(en): Hannß Ruodj Sÿdler Wagners Sohn hir / Margareth Grobin.

    Zeügen: Melcher Schneewelj allhir / Veroneck Häberlig Küffers Tochter.

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  • Kent Gardiner
    Kent Gardiner ✭✭✭✭
    October 1, 2024

    https://community.familysearch.org/en/profile/WSeelentag Thode says Kuffer means Cooper. My ggrandfather James Gardiner was a Cooper in Dundee, Scotland.

    Allhir= in this place. This is an often used term in these records. Thanks, KG

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  • WSeelentag
    WSeelentag ✭✭✭✭✭
    October 1, 2024

    Ernest Thode is usually correct 😉 - including this time.

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  • Kent Gardiner
    Kent Gardiner ✭✭✭✭
    October 2, 2024

    https://community.familysearch.org/en/profile/WSeelentag DeepL couldn't handle either of these words. 😓

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  • WSeelentag
    WSeelentag ✭✭✭✭✭
    October 2, 2024

    They are old spellings.

    Try Küfer - and DeepL will find cooper.

    Allhir is more complicated - modern spelling would be allhier - but that's a word no longer used … just "hier" nowadays. But you did know the meaning as it is used very frequently.

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  • Kent Gardiner
    Kent Gardiner ✭✭✭✭
    October 2, 2024

    https://community.familysearch.org/en/profile/WSeelentag I'm sure you know this but it is very difficult to replace a knowledgable human with computer learning. Yes great translations can be done, however there are so many words involving old and new meanings and spellings that I don't think you can replace the human mind. AI is great - you are better! KG

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