Records returned out of order
I have been getting lots of Family Review pages returned to me in the last few days.
None of the corrections are recorded, apartment numbers are gibberish again, all the street names are missing, the kids born in 1949 are older than their parents all the surname changes are wiped, but worst of all they come back OUT OF ORDER.!!!
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@vickyg2003, that is very strange! Please report it and I will do the same.
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I have reported the out of order on the ones where I catch it. Those are the ones that I remember because they are people i KNEW someone on the page. if the x for carry over is checked and there the next page starts with a HEAD I have been looking at the page numbers to see if they are sequential, but I have not been looking at the ED. The page numbers are seqential but the EDs have changed
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@vickyg2003, I was told to report what state it is happening in and engineers would be better able to get it corrected. Thanks again!
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ottawa county, Michigan
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@vickyg2003, I have a very good example from another person of the pages being out of order. When you see it again, please report the county, state, ED numbers and the page numbers.
Thank you so much!
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Okay will do, I thought that information went with the Report a problem button.
For me, the two that standout, were where I used the "Report a Problem" when I got to the last family on the sheet.
One was having "Surname CarryOver" issues from the previous family. The last family on the page, was the Mokma family, but they carried the name Crammer. The Mokma family had children listed on the next page. I had processed this family on family review a few days before it came back to me. When it came back, the pages were clearly out of order and there were now Cook children on the next page.
The other was a Barkel family, and first daughter on the 2nd sheet was Mary L Barkel and she was not indexed so she could not be included in the family. I got this sheet back 2 hours after I reported it. Now I spent another 20 minutes on the page, reprocessing every name, correcting the surnames, addresses, and ages and got down to the last family on the list, but heck there was no longer a Mary L Barkel nor her siblings on the second page at all, but when I looked at the page numbers they were BOTH PAGE 7.
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@vickyg2003, you are doing amazing! I would think that when you report the problem it would stay with the page, but I'm not sure of that process, only that I was told to also report what the state, county, etc. , is. The pages being out of order is a really big deal and engineers are aware of it. I'm not sure how it will be handled, but I am confident it will be accurate when finished!
Keep up the great work and please report if you see others that are out of order. Thank you so much!!
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Are the engineers aware that the pages WERE in order until they went through the Report Problem Skip Household procedure and that it seems to happen when the last family on the sheet with a carry over to the next sheet.
Being able to reproduce a problem is very important. With many of the pages out of order you don’t get a hint of how they got to be out of order, but with the two pages that happened to get returned to me I know that I processed them before because I happened to know some people on the page So the page stuck with me
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@vickyg2003, I'm sure the engineers are aware. If you run into it again, please report as you have done and add clear notes as to the state, county, page number, ED, all that you can. Thanks again.
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Holland, Ottawa, Michigan ED 70-26 PAGE 2, 3, 4
I was processing the Van Vels family on page 2, with the X in the Household continues on next page, but next page was PAGE 4. So I skipped the household. The next page I was given was Page 3 ED 70-26 with the Van Vels at the top of the page.
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@vickyg2003 and @AndLinda
FYI, I just came across a continued household that was on Sheet 76 and it had written that it was continued on Sheet 77. So, I click Next and up pops the next page with a different house number/serial number and different surname of wife and kids at the top. I doublecheck the Sheet number, and its Sheet 78.
So I go to the National Archives Census to look for Sheet 77. Turns out there is no Sheet 77! The enumerator numbered the next sheet 78 (which was the last sheet of that E.D.).
By the way, the only time I Expect to get the Sheets in order is when there is a continuing page, otherwise they are totally random. If I select a city or county within the state that will narrow them down to that area. So, can you explain how you get your corrected pages "returned" to you, let alone in Sheet number order?
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@MinnWisRoots They are not returned to me in order, but I keep drawing the same sheets over and over again. I either remember them because of the errors on the sheet, or because they contain people I know. I have corrected my Kindergarten teacher's surname 2x, I have processed Mrs Huyser's sheet 3 times. Everytime I add the streets, correct the surnames, correct the ages and states.... But every time they come back, they are in the original condition, although many are out of order.
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@vickyg2003, Engineers are aware of the duplicate pages and pages out of order. We just need to collect the information that you gave with the state to make sure they are fixed when the tools are available after the review processes. Thank you so much for the information!!! This is really helping!
@MinnWisRoots, could you please give the state and ED and page? Did you look in the National Archives Census back a few pages to try to find Sheet 77? Did you look in FamilySearch several pages back etc.? Thank you.
Keep reporting with your information so we can see what you are saying. Thank you both.
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