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Jeniann Nielsen
Jeniann Nielsen ✭✭
February 17, 2022 edited February 17, 2022 in Social Groups

Could I get some help with this probate records please? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-93PN-13KZ?cat=478019

This is in Frederiksborg county, Gammel frederiksborg amt. It starts on the right side of the page. So far I've been able to glean this information:

1748 22 Nov

Torup sogn, Kikhavn

Probate of Mette Jensdatter, wife of Jens Jorgensen

She has a son from her first marriage who is Mogens Larsen age 10

Mother's brother is Morten Jensen of Torup

Witnesses are Jens Jorgensen, Jorgen Christensen, and Morten Jensen

In theory, there should be a son Niels Jensen age 7 in there, but I don't see him, which leads me to believe the tree is wrong. 

Thanks in advance for your help!

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  • Norm Baker
    Norm Baker ✭✭✭✭
    February 18, 2022

    I don't see Niels mentioned in the probate, either. However, the birth record for Niels Jensen (LJJX-YHF) lists, as one of the witnesses, "Jens Nielsen's son Morten in Torup". It is possible that they are the Jens Nielsen (Mette's father) and his son, Morten (her brother), in the tree. Also, as you noted in your explanation above, her brother Morten Jensen, is the guardian for 10 year old Mogens Larsen.

    Having said that, I too would expect to see Mette's son, Niels, mentioned in the probate. I guess that it is possible that since his father was still alive that no other guardian would be assigned for Niels. But I think he (Niels) still would have been mentioned if he were alive.

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  • Jeniann Nielsen
    Jeniann Nielsen ✭✭
    February 19, 2022

    @Norm Baker thanks for taking a look at this as well, it helps to get another opinion. I had some trouble reading this probate record and didn't want to miss anything.

    I'm inclined to think that Niels Jensen died young, sometime between 1741 when he was christened and 1748 when the probate for his mother was recorded. Otherwise he would likely be listed in the probate record.

    The Niels Jensen that married 3 wives and had several children and settled in Torup and died in 1813 appears to be a different Niels Jensen. The witnesses at the christenings of his children don't seem to fit this family. His age in the 1787 and 1801 census records indicates a birth more in the 1738-1739 range as well. Plus he's not mentioned in the mother's probate record.

    I just wish I could figure out who Niels Jensen's parents were. I don't see any clear patterns in the witnesses at the christenings of his children so far. I haven't been able to locate a probate record for Niels Jensen, nor any of his wives either, nor any copyholder records. But I will keep looking.

    Thanks again!

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  • Norm Baker
    Norm Baker ✭✭✭✭
    February 19, 2022

    @Jeniann Nielsen

    I think he did survive at least to be 19 years old. There is a confirmation record for a 19 year old Niels Jensen in Kikhavn in 1761. That record is here (1st entry in 1761): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994W-73ZX?i=196&cc=2078555&cat=444297.

    Just a note about the Danish records available in the Danish National Archives and on Danish Family Search. If the record is not very clear in those sites, as is often the case, the images in Family Search are much easier to read. Compare the link above with this one: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=157717#157717,26464923.

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  • Jeniann Nielsen
    Jeniann Nielsen ✭✭
    February 19, 2022

    @Norm Baker , thanks very much! This confirmation record was just what I needed to prove this line. Though he's not in his mother's probate record for whatever reason, everything else I found about him points to this family.

    Niels Jensen was christened in 1741 to Jens Jorgensen and Mette Jensdatter. He is confirmed in 1761 and listed as living in Kikhavn, age 19. I found his copyhold record in 1774 at the time he married and he was listed as Niels Jensen of Kikhavn, which is where his mother Mette Jensdatter died, so the places fit there; he obtains a land lease in Thorup where he settled. As witnesses to the christenings of his children are his half brother Mogens Larsen smed at one christening, and his father Jens Jorgensen and his uncle Lars Jorgensen listed together on another one.

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