Ordinance Ready
Many of the ordinances that Ordinance Ready prepares for me ARE NOT READY! When I check to see if the previous ordinances have been completed, I often find that they are not. This happens especially in sealing to parents or spouse. The one to be sealed may be ready, but the parents or spouse's work has not been done! Many people do not check to make sure the other necessary ordinances like initiatory and endowment, are completed before they go to sealed that person to another relative. Ordinance "READY" is really a misnomer! Is there some way that your computer program can only provide ordinances that are truly ready to be performed AFTER the initial ordinances are completed? Otherwise, I think you need to change the name from Ordinance Ready, to Ordinance Possibilities or something like that, so people know they need to check them first for the previous ordinances before they print them. Thank You!
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Sealing a couple before doing other ordinances
Whenever possible, a couple should be endowed before being sealed to each other. However, it is not required in order to perform the sealing to spouse. https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/sealing-a-couple-before-doing-other-ordinances
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Ordinances performed out of order
Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed. It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence. https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
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If you can control the prerequisite ordinances before the sealing ordinances, then you should do them in the correct order. If you cannot control the other ordinances - because someone else has them reserved, you can do the sealings out of order. Also you can do the sealing to parent for the spouse of your relative (as that ordinance belongs to the individual), but you cannot do the ordinances for the parents of the spouse of your relative - as they are not related to you. So you can seal the spouse to their parents, but you cannot do the individual or couple ordinances for those parents.
The programmers that made Ordinances Ready know the temple policy. If you are given sealings to do via Ordinances Ready, they are okay for you to take to the temple and do.
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I agree with Cathy. Why not have the computer program allow the ordinances only in the correct order and prevent all of these issues. I recently had temple ready give me 5 couples to be sealed but upon further investigation, only 1 couple had all of the previous ordinances complete.
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@Cathy DeCook ( and, @rdjackson )
FYI
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ]
This is an ongoing dilemma, for many Members of the Church.
The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in the various 'iterations' for the 'FamilySearch' Forums.
Further to what 'Miss Jessie' and 'Amy' have already proffered ...
[ Including, already proffered "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch' ... ]
In regards to "Sealing to Spouse" ...
Really, the choice is yours, whether or not, to do the "Temple" Work of "Sealing to Spouse" that OrdinanceReady" provides.
Short Answer:
'Yes', you can proceed, with the "Temple" Work of "Sealing to Spouse" that OrdinanceReady" provides.
[ If you so desire; but, of course, you DO NOT have to, if you do not want to. ]
As an aside ...
One does not really have to be too concerned ...
We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".
And, most importantly ...
"Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
Which states, among other things:
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Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Of course ...
Why are the temple ordinance dates out of order in Family Tree?
Where it states, among other things:
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- The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
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Plus ...
Most IMPORTANTLY ...
In one of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence
[ Note: The Words ... It is preferable ]
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And ...
In the other of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
It also states, among other things:
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The FamilySearch Family Tree website does not clear ordinances if prerequisite ordinances have not been cleared or performed.
[ And ]
- Sealing of a husband and wife and sealing of children to parents (if possible). Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents.
[ Note: The Words ... Whenever possible ]
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So, basically ...
Do not be too concerned ...
'Yes', you can proceed, with the "Temple" Work of "Sealing to Spouse" that OrdinanceReady" provides.
[ If you so desire; but, of course, you DO NOT have to, if you do not want to. ]
The choice is yours.
And ...
In regards to "Sealing to Parents" ...
Remember, that the "Temple" Work, relates to the Child; and, NOT, the to Parents.
So ...
That Said ...
Regardless, of the status, of "Temple" Work of the Parents, the "Sealing to Parents" for a Child CAN be undertaken.
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I know that this might not give you comfort and address your concerns; but, I hope that this gives you some more perspective.
Brett
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Thank you for your comments and all the articles. I understood that the ordinances will not be in effect until the prerequisite ordinances are performed. However, it still seems to be very misleading to allow the cards to be printed when they are really not ready. Most people do not investigate to see if the prerequisite ordinances have been performed. This is especially true when we do not get our cards back after each ordinance is performed, so we can see the previous ordinances on them.
This statement "The FamilySearch Family Tree website does not clear ordinances if prerequisite ordinances have not been cleared or performed." does not appear to be true, unless I am not understanding it correctly.
I'm sure FamilySearch is not going to change their website to ensure these are done in order. I just think that it is adding to a lot of ordinances being done out of order and further confusion!
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The software will not allow you to do a confirmation if the baptism isn't complete. It will also not allow an initiatory if the baptism and confirmation are not complete. It will also not allow you to do an endowment if the initiatory is not complete. These are the prerequisite ordinances that the statement you referenced is referring to.
The software doesn't check to see if all of the parent's ordinances are complete before a child can be sealed to the parents, because the SP belongs to the child. If you can control the parent's ordinances (you can reserve them), then complete them first before doing the SP for the child.
The software also doesn't check to see if both spouses individual ordinances are complete before allowing the Sealing to Spouse to be completed. Again, if you can control (you can reserve them) all the individual ordinances for both persons, then do them first before the SS.
If the sealings are done before the individual ordinances, they are still valid. They become effective when all the ordinances are all completed.
And really, the ordinances only become truly effective when the persons for whom the ordinances are performed are ready to receive them. They will be received in the Spirit World in the same order we receive them here on earth under the direction of the Priesthood.
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