Confidential Person Notification
When working on this family line, for Francis Ireet Ross 20 January 1892 – 29 April 1892 • LX6F-M9Z, I found that it was listed as a "Confidential Person". Not sure why as this infant pasted in August, 1892. This infant has its name listed on the family headstone as Francis Ireete Ross as show by sources attached to a possible duplicate Frances Iretta Ross 20 January 1892 – 28 August 1892 • KWJR-T6L. I attempted to merge these two records but the LX6F-M9Z needs to be either in public or private space. How does one get a name moved from this private space to a public space and a better question is why is this record in this space (confidential person)?
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In regard to the record for Francis Ireet Ross 20 January 1892 – 29 April 1892 • LX6F-M9Z, whose record is listed as “ Confidential Person” since we can not pull up that ID, please see if the status of that record is Living. If so, it would be a record you contributed. By changing the status to deceased, then the records may be merged.
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G'Day
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
FYI
'Yes', a "Confidential" individual/person, they can be either, "Living"; and/or, "Deceased".
It is often a 'Place', that is associated with them, that is one of the "Locations" in the World, where "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch", cannot be utilized.
As an aside ...
Just "Check" and make sure, that one of the 'Places", associated with "Francis Ireet ROSS" ( LX6F-M9Z ), although, appears to be correctly "Recorded"; is NOT, incorrectly "Standardised"; as, one of the "Locations" in the World, where "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch", cannot be utilized.
And, as 'NidaFL' suggests, make sure that the actual 'Status' of BEING is that of "Deceased" (NOT, "Living"), which it most probably is (but, not always).
IF, such are NOT the case; THEN, ...
I have come across the aforementioned before.
I have had simply raised the matter, with 'FamilySearch' "Support", that the individual/person should NOT be marked, with the 'Status' of, a "Confidential" individual/person; and, given my "Reason(s)' for such.
On each and every occasion, the 'Status' of, a "Confidential" individual/person was 'lifted'.
[ But, that said, there may be, the ODD occasion; where, such is 'required and 'justified' ... few & far between ]
The "Moderators" [ ie. 'FamilySearch' "Support" (Personnel) ], SHOULD, be able to 'take on' this matter, into the "Workings" of 'FamilySearch' "Support"; and, refer the matter, to a "Department" in 'FamilySearch', that can help/assist you.
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Why are deceased people in my Family Tree private space?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/deceased-people-in-my-family-tree-private-space
Are the confidential people in my Family Tree private space ever made public?
How do I request temple ordinances for a confidential person in Family Tree?
Good Luck.
I hope this helps, somewhat.
Brett
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Thanks for the quick reply. This person is deceased as show by the number of sources showing the headstone. I will wait for the update from the moderator assigned to this subject. I didn't realize that there was private space available. Not sure how this record ended up in that area.
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FYI
There can be any number of 'Reasons', why the 'Status' of an individual/person, is made that of "Confidential"; where, some of those reasons, are NOT obvious.
And ...
As to "Private Spaces" ...
Our (personal) "Private Spaces", is were, any individuals/persons, that are "Living", that we (or, if one is a Member of the Church, the "System") created.
Here an old 'standby' of mine, that I have previously proffered on occasion ...
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Most new (and, some old) Users/Patrons DO NOT understand the basic 'nature' and 'premise' of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', when they join in.
Please let me explain ...
[ And, please bear with me; as, I am VERY 'Verbose' ... that is my 'style' ... ]
We do not have our OWN "Tree" in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
We ONLY have "Branches" (ie. Ancestral" lines), that are interconnected, in this SINGLE "One" World "Tree", for all of us, that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is NOT like 'On-Line' "Websites" (eg. "Ancestry_com"; or "MyHeritage_com"; or, the like); and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes (eg, the OLD, now no longer supported, "PAF"; or, "Ancestral Quest"; or, the like).
We DO NOT have "Private"/"Personal" 'Trees' in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' like other 'On-Line' "Websites"; and/or, 'standalone' personal (computer) programmes.
We do not even, own; or, manage; and, are NOT even responsible for, the "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
And, most importantly ...
We DO NOT even, own; or, manage; and, are NOT even responsible for, Our OWN "Deceased" Ancestors/Family/Relatives in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is built on a "Open Edit" Platform - hence, why any registered User/Patron can "Edit" (ie. Add, Delete; and/or, Change) ANY "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
You can certainly "Merge"/"Combine" any "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' with another "Deceased" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch', regardless of who the User/Patron was that initially created those "Deceased" individuals/persons; as, they DO NOT reside with the User/Patron who initially created them - they are "Public".
If fact, you can ONLY see "Deceased" individuals/persons in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; except, with this 'rider', that you can ALSO only see "Living" individual/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' that YOU created; as, they reside in your "Private Spaces".
No other User/Patron can see ANY "Living" individuals/persons that were created by another User/Patron; as, they ONLY reside in the "Private Spaces" of the User/Patron who created them.
We CANNOT even see the ACTUAL Record in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' of our IMMEDIATE Family (eg. Spouse; Children; Parents; Siblings; ETC; Etc; etc) if they are "Living"; and, they have their own 'FamilySearch' Account.
Of course, you can create your "Living" Family members; and, record them in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'; but, they will ONLY be seen by you:
▬ You cannot "Share" them with any other User/Patron.
▬ You cannot "Merge"/'Combine" them with any other "Living" individual/person residing in the "Private Spaces" of another User//Patron.
There is CURRENTLY no mechanism in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' for Users/Patrons, to "Share"; or, "give permission" to "Share", the "Living" individuals/persons in their own "Private Spaces" with/between other/another User(s)/Patron(s).
There are a myriad of "Privacy" Laws within the many various Countries and Unions throughout the World - it is a nightmare to negotiate.
"Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' is used in many Countries and Unions throughout the World; and, as such, must adhere to the myriad of "Privacy" Laws throughout the World.
Hence, "Privacy" is one of the reasons that we cannot "Share" the "Living" individuals/persons in our own "Private Spaces" - it is NOT the ONLY reason; but, certainly has a bearing on the matter.
Another factor is that such would have to be 'Coded'/'Programmed' into the Programme that is "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch'.
'Yes', these "Living" individuals/person in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' WILL, in fact, in many (most) cases will be "Duplicated" - unfortunately a necessary situation that currently cannot be avoided.
I know that there are "Duplicates" of the "Living" ME - at least, one for my Wife and each of our Children, not to mention my other ("Living") extended Family members.
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch' in regard to "Private Spaces" and "Living" individuals/persons:
Who can see my living relatives in Family Tree?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/who-can-see-my-living-relatives-in-family-tree
How does Family Tree protect the privacy of living people?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/what-is-a-private-space-in-family-tree
What Family Tree features are available in my private space?
Can my living relatives share a Family Tree private space to work together?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/share-a-family-tree-private-space-with-family
Can I transfer my Family Tree private space to another user?
Here is a good place to start, with how things work in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' (and, other programmes as well):
Overview
'FamilySearch'
"Family Tree"
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/overview
Getting Started with Family History
Here are the main things you need to know as you get started
https://www.familysearch.org/home/etb_gettingstarted
How to Use the Family Tree
https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/how-to-use-family-tree/
What is The Family History Guide?
https://media.familysearch.org/what-is-the-family-history-guide/
The Family History Guide
Introduction
About The Family History Guide
https://www.thefhguide.com/introduction.html
The Family History Guide
I hope this helps
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Brett
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