Does anyone know anything of George 'Brummie' Sage, birth, parents, marriage, court, death etc, from

SharonEdwards69

Ive been told he was my gt grandfathers cousin and i'm trying to link him to my tree. He was leader of the Camden Town Gang who ran the racecourse rackets, friends with Billy Kimber, whom he met in prison. I beleive his grandfather was William Sage b 1822, Borden, Kent, I would like to find out who his parents were or any children.

Lynda Hill2

there is a wm Sage in the 1851 census with son George

do you think this could be him?

 

LegacyUser

I dont think so as i beleive him to be born in the 1890's

LegacyUser

probably born 1880's as i think he was in prison with Billy in 1901 but george isnt on the census

Lynda Hill2

Did you check the 1891 census & 1911 ?

 

You could try checking https://www.freebmd.org.uk/search for Birth/ marriage records

LegacyUser

Ive looked on census but dont have enough information to know who he is, i dont know his parents names, his Grandad if i'm correct was born in Kent, some of the family middlesex and coudbe london even

Lynda Hill2

i saw a couple of William Sage in the 1861 census around the London area

Since you have an idea of where William came from start there & come forward

another site to check records though not all transcribed

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/new?locale=en

 

LegacyUser

I have William Sage on all the census, and i have his children and i have a few Georges amongst the grandchildren but nothing states who is brummie Sage which is to be expected. Which is why I'm hoping someone will know of the actual George 'Brummie' Sage so i can try and tie him in

Lynda Hill2

If you have approx DOB you could check the GRO

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp#Results

Just create an account you do not need to buy the certificates unless you want to

But I use it as a search feature

check surname approx year of birth

it will come up with a mother's maiden surname name usually & town/city of birth

It will help tie things together

 

You could search wikitree wo see if anyone else has that family in the tree

 

Do you have a maiden name for the mother? appox DOB for George?

I can have a look

Good luck

 

Lynda Hill2

You probably know this already but he was in Southampton in the 1920's where he was shot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_White_(gangster)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_brothers_(gangsters)

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/nostalgia/real-peaky-blinders-billy-kimber-6309655

 

interesting reading in any case

Happy hunting

LegacyUser

(Sorry psted in wrong plsce so deleted and reposted here)

Thank you Lynda, i have actually found him now and linked hime with a George i have in my tree. George Neaves Sage born 16 MAR 1877, Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England. Died 26 JUN 1947, Islington, London, England. I found him by reading an article that said george was 5 years older than Billy knowing Billys birthdate I worked this out and searched my tree which came up with George Neaves sage i then googled him and found a very long article on him and other family member sin the book Gangs of London, written by Brian Macdonald, I have now ordered the book and glad i have tied this up. Brummy Sage was my Gt Grandads Cousin, thnk you for all the research and help. BTW im looking into the shooting, hopefully i may find a newspaper article but he wasnt killed in the shooting

SusanGriffiths3

George "Brummie" Sage. Just been reading about him . He is mentioned in Peaky Blinders the Real Story by Carl Chinn. Chapter 5 The Real Billy Kimber.