How do I look up an image of an indexed record?
I want to look at the image of an actual record. I find the full reference but cannot get to the image.
Here is am image showing as far as I can get, but I cannot find a way to view the actual record to see if there is any additional information on the record.
How can I view the actual record referenced here?
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@Jefft711 Jefft711
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Jeff
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Unfortunately ...
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Short Answer: You CANNOT view an Image of the Record in 'FamilySearch'.
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That "Source" in 'FamilySearch' clearly indicates that ... "No image available" ...
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4B4-FZK
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You would need to try one of the 'On-Line' Websites (from around the World) that has "Records" from "Norway".
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As an aside ...
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I am "Tagging" this (General) 'Question' of yours, in this "Community.FamilySearch" Forum, to the 'Group' being "Nordic Countries Genealogy Research" ... [which includes, Norway], in the Forum; so that, the members of that group can answer/assist you.
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That Group is "Public", which you can join, if you wish.
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Brett
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@Nordic Countries Genealogy Research
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You are in luck! This is really easy because the Norwegian National Archives has scanned and posted all of the microfilms FamilySearch ever took of the Norwegian parish records and more, and have an excellent site for looking at them.
For this particular record, just start on the search screen for the microfilms at:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb/browse
You know the exact parish and date so just fill in the form with those:
You'll notice there are four results. One for the parish register that covers all three sub-parishes, and one for each of the sub-parishes. It's easiest to first look at the one that covers all three because then you don't need to figure out which of the three sub-parishes it is in.
Click on the link for the Contents to come here:
Click on 1849 then forward until you come to christenings for February. Remember, these are Christening records so that is how they occur chronologically.
Here is her record:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051121010948
One thing this tells you is that she was christened in Haug Kirke so you can go back to the search results and look at the record for Haug to see a second copy of the record. It probably won't have any different information, but it might have better handwriting.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051118020162
Boy, in this case it has much better handwriting, beautiful in fact.
The three most important additional pieces of information that you get here is where the family lived, that she was christened at home instead of at church, and that, if I am reading this right, that her mother had died.
Yes, unfortunately. Here is her mother's death record:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051118020472
Something is really wrong here because this death record has her death and burial before Karen Bergitte, the daughter was born!
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Thank you so much. This is great. I can't really read this record very well even though the handwriting is nice. I don't know any Norwegian. It sounds like you might.
The Family Search records show that her mother died in September and she was born in the middle of November. That doesn't make sense. I was wondering if I could learn anything more about that.
Also, you said that it shows where the family lived. Can you help me understand that better? What does it say about where they lived?
I'll keep trying to decipher this but any help you can provide will be appreciated.
Thanks. I really appreciate your help.
Jeff
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And thanks so much for finding the record of her death also.
Do you know what it says about where she died?
And there is some word out to the right end of her record. Do you know what that word is?
Again, I appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Jeff, I hope you re-read the above after I was finally done editing it.
Here is a transcript of the record with each column in a new row
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Novemb. 17de 1848
Febru. 11de
Karen Bergite
ægte
Indst. Peder Rasmusen Krogstadeie Hustru Karn Bergite Jacobsdatter (død)
Maren Andersd Krogstad, Else Christoffersdatter ibid, Anders Helgesen ibid, Rasmus Borgersen ibid, Nils Helgesen ibid
Av ??? Halvor Andersen Korgstadelven
Translated:
Entry 19
Birthdate: November 17th, 1848
Christened: February 11th
Name: Karen Bergite
Status: Legitimate
Parents: renter Peder Rasmusen Krogstadeie and wife Karen Bergite Jacobsdatter (dead)
Witnesses/Godparents: Maren Andersdatter Krogstad, Else Christoffersdatter Krogstad, Anders Helgesen Krogstad, Rasmus Borgersen Krogstad, Hils Helgesen Krogstad
Home baptism: By ??? Halvor Andersen Korgstadelven
The records are very clear. Both state Karen Bergite was born November 17, 1848 and both birth records say her mother was dead. Both death records also state that her mother died September 20 due to childbirth.
In a situation like this, all you can do is state what the records say and make the most of it.
My theory would be that since Karen Bergite was not christened at home until February 11th, which was very late to be doing that, that this family had had a horrible winter and by the time the birth and christening was reported to the priest, her birth date was reported wrong. She was probably born September 17 with her mother dying three days later, but that is just wild supposition on my part.
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I forgot to add, the family lived at Krogstadeie. The -eie part signifies that they were living on a tenant farm that was a small sub-secton of the main Krogstad farm. All the witnesses lived at Krogstad as well.
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She died at Krogstadeie. The word out to the right is "Barselseng." Literally: "Birth bed," that is, during childbirth. This could have been the day of delivery or several days later if the mother developed an infection or bled too much, both of which were far too common in those days.
In putting together this information, probably the most accurate piece of information would be the mother's burial date of Oct. 1. The priest would have been there and known the date. Everything else would have been reported to him after the fact.
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Awesome. Thank you. This is a great help.
She died after childbirth, but the birthdate of the child is listed as November 17. I wonder why that is, but it is clear that that is what is recorded in these records. Your idea about what happened is a good one.
Karen Bergethe Jakobsdatter, who died of childbirth, has no burial location recorded. This points me to the area where she died and now I can try to see if the Haug Kirke cemetery has any records of her burial. I'll keep looking.
Thank you,
Jeff
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Having slept on this overnight, I've changed my mind and need to revise a thoughts. Feb 11 is just too far from Karen Brigitte's brith to be the date of her home baptism and is recorded chronologically right where it should be. In most parish records, in this situation there will be three dates, the birth, home baptism, and the ratification of that baptism in church. Scanning through this parish record, it seems that the "baptism date" for home baptisms is frequently months after the birth dates, so I am pretty sure that the actual baptism date is not recorded, just the date of the ratification of that baptism at church.
Karen Birgette was most likely baptized the day of her birth or within a couple of days of it.
Just a final note about the mother's death. These earlier parish records were records of church events. So although we refer to them as birth and death records, they really are baptism and burial records that just happen to include the date and place of birth or death.
You don't need to "try to see if the Haug Kirke cemetery has any records of her burial," because that is what I posted the link to. This parish record is the cemetery record. There was no other. Also, in 1848 there was certain to be just the one cemetery which had to be at the church and everyone would have been buried there.
Here is the second copy of her burial record:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051121011263
If you are recording this information in Family Tree, I would suggest entering Karen Bergitte's birth date as September 1848 and entering a thorough explanation as to why the recorded November date has to be an error.
If you are interested, here is where this church and cemetery is located:
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