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"Not Married" in Marriage Field

Lesa M Pringle
Lesa M Pringle ✭
November 11, 2020 edited February 12, 2021 in Suggest an Idea

I would like to see "not married" as a choice in the marriage event area. The choices currently are: annulment, common law, divorce, lived together, and marriage. Sometimes I come across couples who never lived together but did have a child. These choices don't seem to cover this issue.

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  • Brett .
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    November 12, 2020

    Lesa

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    You are not alone ...

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    FYI

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    This has been very much requested ... but, NOT, yet, actioned.

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    This has been discussed and debated in the [platform of the] OLD 'FamilySearch' ("GetSatisfaction") 'Feedback' Forum, now the TEMPORARY [platform of the] (New) "IDEAS" Forum.

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    We have been advised in the former longtime Forum by "Official 'FamilySearch; Representatives" that the WHOLE "Couple" Relationship part of "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch' (ie. 'side of things') is going through a major (extensive) 'revamp', which has been ongoing for some time.

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    Some, of the PARTS of the aforementioned 'revamp', has already been implemented ...

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    There have been some "Modifications"/"Additions" to the "Couple" Relationships recently.

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    eg.

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    ▬ Ability to have "Same Gender" Relationships; and,

    ▬ Addition of the Relationship "Event" of "Lived Together"; and,

    ▬ Addition of "Relationship Facts"; BUT, ONLY one so far, of "No Children".

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    Just the aforementioned, are MAJOR changes to the System; and, took much time to, design; and, develop; and, code, for.

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    Hopefully, there is much more to come forth in due time ...

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    It is NEVER as simple or as easy ... as most of us think.

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    As an aside ...

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    The "Never Married" would have to be something (ie. an "Indicator") that not only can be 'Set'; but, can also be 'Unset' (ie. "Removed"); BECAUSE, we All make 'mistakes'.

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    Just my thoughts.

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    Brett

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  • JeffWiseman
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    November 12, 2020

    A marriage is only one of several types of "events" that can occur when two people ALREADY have a "Couple Relationship". Once a Couple Relationship is established, you can then add multiple "Couple Relationship Events" to that relationship such as divorces, marriages, Annulments, more marriages, etc.. A Couple relationship is NOT the PRESENCE of a marriage. It is also NOT the ABSENCE of a marriage.


    The situation where two folks never had a formal family related commitment to each other is represented in the system by the absence of a Couple Relationship. They never had a couple relationship so they should not be documented and shown in the system as having a Couple Relationship. Graphically, on the Family member section of the details page and the parent couples on a pedigree, this is shown by NOT putting both individuals inside the same Couple Relationship BOX.


    From the Family Members portion of the child's details page, This would show up as the child being linked to a father (without a spouse) in one box and also the same child being linked to a mother (without a spouse) in a different box. The mother and father do NOT show up in the same Couple Relationship Box because they never had a couple relationship.


    Since there is no Couple Relationship between the two parents it is obvious that there was never any marriage, divorce, annulment, common law, or living together "events". Those types of events can only exist in a Couple Relationship.


    "Not married" or "Never married" are NOT events of any kind by any stretch of the term "events" (let alone a Couple Relationship type event)

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  • Jordi Kloosterboer
    Jordi Kloosterboer ✭✭✭
    November 15, 2020

    Do not add them as a couple if they were not married or did not have a couple relationship. Add the biological father and mother separately to the child instead.

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  • Brett .
    Brett . ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 15, 2020

    Jordi

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    'NO'; 'No'; 'no' ... the "Parents" DO NOT have to be SEPERATED.

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    That looks, ODD; and, ridiculous ...

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    IF, you do; THEN, another User/Patron will just come along later; and, join them as a "Couple"; but, that Other User/Patron may have NO knowledge of the actual situation/circumstances.

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    They can STILL be a "Couple", in a FORM, of a Relationship; as, they ARE the Parents of the Child.

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    You just DO NOT add an "Event", if they never "Married"; or, "Lived Together".

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    You LEAVE the 'Event' ... "Blank"

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    And, of course, you MUST "Add" COPIOUS "Notes" everywhere to the ACTUAL situation/circumstance.

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    Brett

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