Make unfinished attachments part of the purple "Research Suggestions"
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Jordi Kloosterboer said: I think it would be a good idea if a person gets a tag for research suggestions if one or more sources are marked as unfinished. It makes sense because it gives you suggestions of where to research... lol. Also, then it will be easier to pinpoint areas where more work can be done without going into each profile.
The end result would look something like the picture shown below:
The end result would look something like the picture shown below:
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Brett said: Jordi
I understand the thought behind your suggestion/enhancement ...
But ...
That said ...
I do not like the suggestion/enhancement; because, those "Unfinished Attachments" can be to much of a 'trap' for new and inexperienced Users/Patrons [eg. Adding totally Unrelated/Unconnected individuals/persons (eg. Servants, Boarders, Friends, etc) to actual Families, that they DO NOT relate].
'No', just leave the "Unfinished Attachments" the way they are, on the "Sources" 'Tab' for individuals/persons; where, we can action them if and when we so desire, when we come across them. They do not need to appear in "Research Suggestions".
Just my thoughts.
Brett
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Jeff Wiseman said: There are a large number of unfinished attachments that will NEVER be finished. You really don't want that clutter filling up your research suggestions.
Also, an "unfinished attachment" is an attribute of a SOURCE and not of each of the individuals attached to that source. Approaching the issue this way means that if something like a census source is attached to all 12 members of a family, but also has an UNKNOWN NAME in the index, then all 12 persons already attached to the source would have to have the research suggestion.
In other words, it is NOT that the "Person has unfinished Attachments" at all. It is that one of the sources attached to that person is possibly missing an attachment.
(I say "possibly" because I occasionally come across indexes where additional UNKNOWN NAME placeholders have been added in the index but don't actually exist in the real image that was indexed. Those are positions that belong to nobody)0 -
Jordi Kloosterboer said: Possibly, when you dismiss the research suggestion, then you can dismiss it from all people attached to that source.0
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Jordi Kloosterboer said: I understand that new users do not know what they are doing all the time but we should not stop new features solely because new users "might" do something bad. If so concerned about new users, make a tutorial when first clicking research suggestions for example rather than not making this a research suggestion.0
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Brett said: Jordi
NOT, "might" do something wrong/incorrect.
They WILL do something wrong/incorrect - Guaranteed.
Lets NOT give them the opportunity.
Brett
ps: "FamilySearch" has enough trouble keeping up with the many competing priorities in "Family Tree" (and, the Other parts) of "FamilySearch", let alone making a "Tutorial" - look at "Help" (or, "HelpLESS", as it has been 'coined').
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Jeff Wiseman said: Yes but the logical structure of the issue is such that it would create a lot of difficult permutations to deal with.
As I pointed out, in your example of a Research Suggestion on a specific person, you have suggested the message "Person Has Unfinished Attachments". This is quite different from what you are talking about, and would be impossible to implement. Essentially what that suggested RS is saying is that for ALL of the sources in the entire FS databases that may apply to that one person, not all of them have yet been attached to that person. That is basically what it says. Because all attachments of sources to person records requires human analysis to determine if they are appropriate or not, there is no way that the computer system could even begin to determine that the "Person Has Unfinished Attachments" all by itself.
In fact the only way to do this (i.e., what you are asking for) with correct terminology would be to change the message to something like "Person is attached to the source xxxxxxxxx which does not have all of its OTHER indexed entries attached to other persons". Even if you could do this, the number of index groups that are incompletely attached are so numerous, that the Research Suggestions area for many person records would get bloated with these messages--many of which might never go away.
You see, this is all about the fact that a source's INDEX group does not yet have all of its indexed entries attached to person records. This is a characteristic (and thus a problem) of the source itself and NOT any of the individuals attached to that source. It needs to be displayed with respect to the Source itself and not transferred out to all of the individual records that are already correctly attached. That is how it is done today.0 -
Jordi Kloosterboer said: I disagree.0
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Tom Huber said: The idea of using the dismiss feature deals with the source as a source.
It is my understanding that once dismissed, any unattached people in that given source (such as a census) simply will no longer appear as unattached (the notice will no longer appear) or as a hint for those the source is not attached to (I may be wrong with respect to this last area, but that was the impression I was left with).
If one opens the source and checks to see who is attached (via the source linker), those that are not attached to anyone in the tree will show as not attached.
As Jeff points out, the unattached people is source-centric and not person-centric. Therefore, the system is not set up to work as a person-centric alert, where as research suggestions are person-centric.0 -
Brett said: Tom
My understanding is that you are ONLY "Dismissing" the "Unfinished Attachments" INDICATOR from the "Source"; as attached, to A "Source", in the "Sources" 'Tab', of the particular individual/person of whom you are looking at (working on).
Such DOES NOT impact on, "Hinting"; and/or, "Unfinished Attachments", for/on OTHER individuals/persons in the Record. The OTHER individuals/persons in the Record will STILL have, "Hints"; and/or, "Unfinished Attachments", regardless if a User/Patron "Dismisses" the "Unfinished Attachments" INDICATOR from the "Source"; as attached, to A "Source", in the "Sources" 'Tab', of the particular individual/person of whom they are looking at (working on).
I know such is the case.
I have seen it.
I have tested it.
"Dismissing" the "Unfinished Attachments" INDICATOR from the "Source"; as attached, to A "Source", in the "Sources" 'Tab', of the particular individual/person of whom you are looking at (working on), DOES NOT have any IMPACT on the OTHER individuals/persons in the Record - if they have, either, "Hints"; and/or, "Unfinished Attachments", they are STILL there, they are unaffected.
Brett
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Tom Huber said: I just did some quick testing and yes. The only source entry that is impacted is the one where the unfinished attachments are dismissed.
On your responses, Joe Martel, in another discussion chastised you for using all caps in your responses. He is correct -- it looks like you are shouting and that is rude. It also goes against long-established (back in the BBS days) netiquette. So please avoid trying to shout others down.
A simple statement would have done just as good and not given the wrong impression.0 -
Paul said: I, too, am totally against this idea. Like the "possible duplicate" suggestions I have criticised elsewhere, they are basically "possible family member" suggestions that inexperienced users would believe they had a "duty" to act on - because "FamilySearch" is (would be) highlighting them in this manner,
In fact, I do not find the "unfinished attachments" feature to be necessarily that helpful. In the England & Wales census collections, family members are often divided as a family group, because they regularly appear over two pages in the original records. The sources of the younger children (and possibly elderly parents of the family head) can never be highlighted as not having been attached, due to their different citation references. Just like the main "unfinished attachments" feature itself, the understandable lack of any message in these circumstances can lead users to believe they have attached a census source for the whole of the family.
Research suggestions CAN be helpful, but equally a LACK of a suggestion can often be misleading, by making users think they have fully completed a task, whereas elements possibly remain outstanding..0 -
Jeff Wiseman said: So the Dismissal appears to be an attribute of a given citation in an individual's source list. Either that or it is an attribute of the source list itself. The former would seem more likely as it would not have to coordinate both sides of the citation attachment. If the Citation is is deleted from the list, the dismissal associated with it is deleted as part of the citation. Much neater and simpler.0
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Ken G Moyer said: Been around here more than 2 yrs and still can't figure out those Unfinished Attachments. I sometimes see where a person has missed part of an attachment, but mostly I see all green items. Ken0