Why Has The Relationship Information Been Removed From All Of The New Lists?
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Jeff Wiseman said: This has been bugging me for a while now since every time I go to used it, it has been removed. It doesn't seem to have been reported yet, so here it is.
This applies to ALL of the new "Look and feel" lists (e.g., the following list for changes, change announcement messages, and the change history logs for all records). This is where the name of the person who made changes *USED* to have a link for showing your relationship to the person that made the changes.
The details page still has this useful feature:
But all of the "New and Improved" lists do it this way:
This applies to ALL of the new "Look and feel" lists (e.g., the following list for changes, change announcement messages, and the change history logs for all records). This is where the name of the person who made changes *USED* to have a link for showing your relationship to the person that made the changes.
The details page still has this useful feature:
But all of the "New and Improved" lists do it this way:
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Jordi Kloosterboer said: I think someone mentioned it earlier, but it is good to make a post about it. It bugs me too.0
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JT said: My guess is some new FS Engineering employees keeps trying to switch over to "newer" library packages that don't (yet?) support the relatively recent development of "View My Relationship".
There seems to be some inconsistency or lack of leadership oversight; or they need to realize that its hopeless to keep trying to "keep up" with the latest & greatest software library packages.0 -
Tom Huber said: Along this same line, it would be really nice to be able to view my relationship in the new summary card, even though it was missing from the old summary card. As it is, if we have a long following list, we have to open the individual's record to see our relationship.
The same is true for the user who made the change we are looking at.
We need FamilySearch to be consistent and to use a style guide for how they set things up.
I recognize that FamilySearch is still a very large and complex work in progress, and that the changes are ongoing, but please, please stick to a style guide so we don't have to try to figure out new icons, how links work, and a strange use of a term.
This extends all the way to the articles, including the policy articles.0 -
Robert Wren said: Just an idle question, but what 'practical use' do you find in using the relationship, with other users, feature?
I find it somewhat useful to see that someone in my branch of the tree (my gg uncle), but I've never understood why knowing another user is a 13th cousin, once removed helps in my research or understanding.
If someone wants to 'collaborate,' I'm more than willing to help, but I'd actually PREFER to know who else is "WATCHING" - correction "Following" - some relative I'm interested in.
I believe we are all related somehow. I've had a few requests from others asking me to enable, but if I respond asking why that would be helpful I've never yet received an answer.
What am I missing?0 -
Jeff Wiseman said: Robert, you actually raised two issues:
1) As far as "practical use" goes, it may be more of a convenience. When you contact someone regarding a change they made to a record, there is always a "how are we related to the changed record" and "how are we related to each other" part of the conversion that ALWAYS seems to come up. Why? I guess that inquiring minds just want to know :-) A graphic showing your lineage as related to that person is far more useful as it reveals the lines that you will be trying to discuss with that other person. So having a graphic is a useful reference as a precursor to a discussion that you are about to have with that other person (sort of like a Caller ID :-)
However, to me anyhow, having text that shows someone is a 13th cousin once removed is only meaningful from a DNA standpoint which is of no use to me either. I really don't remember that blood relationship text ever being there (i.e., the 13th cousin once removed, etc.). Either it was a recent thing or I just never noticed it. In either event, it provides no real useful information to me either, but others may like it.
2) I agree that knowing who is watching a record is useful. Although I have found that in most cases, anyone that is watching a record has already CONTRIBUTED to it, and so their names are already captured in the Change History logs for that record. So there is a workaround of sorts for what you request, but you have to dig for it.
Of course that does not apply in the cases where someone is watching a record for other reasons. Some people put records on their watch list to observe when they pass the 110 year mark of the 110 year rule and they can then proceed with other work on that record. So I would think that depending on the reasons other people are watching a certain record would moderate whether or not I would want to know their names.0 -
Robert Wren said: Thanks for trying, Jeff.
1) I guess MY 'inquiring mind' doesn't ask THAT question
2) identifying 'WATCHERS' is simply one of this items I persistently inquire about, you know like GEDCOM causing duplications.
3) are we related?0 -
Jeff Wiseman said: 1) Well mine does, so for me anyway, there is some use
2) Hadn't thought about the GEDCOMs. When a person makes a change via a partner site, I'd really like to see the site name as well, but that's just me.
3) My father's name was Robert W. (i.e., Wiseman). So by the current standards used by many for merging, I guess that we are!
(my father is deceased and shows up in the FamilyTree as Robert Andrew Wiseman KNDQ-CW2. If you check out his memories you might even see a picture of me...)0 -
Tom Huber said: Practical use -- if I want to know what relationship I have with another contributor to one of my relatives, seeing my relationship to that person quickly establishes our relationship to each other and helps me when I communicate with the person to collaborate on the person.
In other words, I consider being able to see my relationship to another contributor to be a collaboration aid.0 -
Tom Huber said: By the way, I agree with Jeff on the GEDCOM issue and with respect to partner sites (MyHeritage, for instance) but also with the fully certified programs like Ancestral Quest, Legacy, and Roots Magic.0
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Tom Huber said: We still need to be able to identify others who are following a relative and see our relationship with those users/followers.
And also if nothing else, our relationship with those making changes (and additions and deletions) to a person's profile.0 -
Tom Huber said: Now this is interesting; I just received the following message
Dear Tom Huber,
Because I do not use a regular email client, the links were not links as I expected them to be. Yes, properly set up links do work in my client. These do not.
We hope you are enjoying FamilySearch.org.
A year ago you enabled Relationship Viewing, which allows other FamilySearch users to see how they are related to you. It can be a helpful and interesting way to make new family connections.
To protect the privacy of our users, we disable Relationship Viewing after a year.
Would you like to re-enable Relationship Viewing? You can do so by making your relationships public in your settings. Follow this link to open your settings.
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If you want to leave it off, you don’t need to do anything. You can always re-enable your Relationship Viewing preference later in settings.
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But that isn't what is important. It appears that there is a timeout on the relationship viewing setting of a year. Maybe that was just a trial setting, or it may be that this will repeat every year or so.
Knowing relationships are important, especially if FamilySearch wants collaboration between its users.0 -
Jeff Wiseman said: FamilySearch giveth. FamilySearch taketh away.0
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Lynne Stanley said: I almost always look for the relationship between myself and another contributor. I like to see how we are related and if I need to communicate with that person, I mention it. It seems to peak their interest as well and sometimes it leads to an ongoing communication. I had to opportunity to meet, in person, a distant cousin because of being able to see our relationship. She told me that I was the first living relative that she had met in the USA since moving here 30+ years ago. It was a great experience for both of us. That probably wouldn't have happened without the "view my relationship".
The relationship viewing is convenient & quick. I appreciate that it is there. I get lost tried to figure out the "9th cousin, 3x removed" stuff. I wish that everyone would enable their Relationship Viewing. And I wish it would show in the Changes on the Following list. Why doesn't it?0
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