View my relationship on family tree on a computer
edited September 28, 2020 in Suggest an Idea
David Thorgalsen said: On iphones the Ordinances Ready app and view my relationship will display the relationship as grandfather or 9th cousin, etc. Why doesn't the view my relationship option on family tree show the same result with the titled relationship like it does with ordinances ready and view my relationship on an iphone? I do not have an iphone (I have been shown by others how it works) to see the relationship so I think it should also be on the family tree view my relationship option. Thank you.
Gordon Collett said: This has been requested many times and the reply from FamilySearch personnel is that they are still trying to decide how to do this. Putting it on the mobile app was apparently a bit of an experiment. The main hold up is that the relationship terms used in English don't really have equivalents in other languages, in particular the "removed" terminology. Apparently all features on the web version of Family Search are released in all of the languages at the same time so the named relationship won't show up there until they can conclude on what to say in all language versions.0
Jeff Wiseman said: Yep, that's right. And if you would like to get an idea of how crazy it can get, check out this video on the Chinese Family Tree:
Juli said: I wonder whether the one-child policy will render some of those words archaic or obsolete, or whether they'll get revived now that people can have siblings again...0
David Thorgalsen said: Gordon, I see, thanks for the explanation.
Jeff, that video is excellent, thanks, and shows how complicated it is.0
Jeff Wiseman said: David, if you'd like so see one of my favorites on how strange even the English version of things can get, check out this one :-)
iLoveMyLife02 said: Juli, ... huh??0
iLoveMyLife02 said: Why don't we just introduce the term "Removed" in English and insert that into all other languages? Seems easy enough. ;-)0
iLoveMyLife02 said: Instead of using the term "removed", I just say things like, "My mother's first cousin is Geraldine." It accomplishes the purpose for many people.0
iLoveMyLife02 said: Go to RelativeFinder.ORG and log in with your FSFT username and password. This site shows ALL the ways you are related to a person and includes the "Xth cousin, Y times removed" statement.0
Juli said: iLoveMyLife, I was talking about the Chinese example that Jeff posted.
I was faced with the problem of specifying a relationship just yesterday: it occurred to me that I haven't a clue how to say "xth cousin y times removed" in Hungarian, even though it's technically my native (first) language. Also, I can never remember which direction to count the removal from: is my fourth cousin my mother's fourth cousin once removed, or third cousin once removed?
Just for fun, I plugged "fourth cousin twice removed" into Google Translate, and it came up with "the fourth cousin was removed twice". ("Removed" as in what laundry stain remover promises to do.)
Oh, lordy: I found a diagram with Hungarian words for every conceivable blood relationship (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikibook...), but I think this was compiled by bored clerics as a theoretical exercise: specifying a relationship using one of these terms would only serve to confuse, not to clarify.0
Jeff Wiseman said: Juli,
Here's one way of remembering the "removed" thing. How you are "related" to someone has to do with how close you are to a common blood line (i.e., the common ancestor). It is easy when you are both the same "distance" (i.e., in generations) from the common ancestor (e.g., 2 gens are 1st cousins, 4 gens are 3rd cousins, etc.)
But when you are each a different distance from the common ancestor, the relationship is defined by whoever is closer (doesn't matter which). If someone's grandfather is also one of your ancestors 2 or more generations back, then you are 1st cousins. The "removed" is just the difference between your distance to the common ancestor and theirs.
So if one of you is 2 generations down from the common ancestor and the other is 4 generations from the common ancestor (doesn't matter who is which), you would be "1st cousins 2 times removed" since the difference in generations that you both have to the common ancestor would be 4-2=2, or 2 times removed
Your first cousin's child would be your 1st cousin 1 times removed. You would also be that child's 1st cousin 1 time removed as well.
Not as bad as in Chinese, but in english, we do have a few special terms for some of the closest relatives, like aunt, uncle, nephew, and niece, etc. So using the description I gave above, you can see that all 4 of the relative names: aunt, uncle, nephew, and niece are just a special name for a "Sibling 1 time removed" :-)0
Brett said: David
View My Relationship.
Relationship Title (English, at least).
IT IS THERE!