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How do I locate closest living descendants to ask their permission to share temple work?
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Thank you for responding. I have 32 "first converts" to the Church in their lines, 10 are 7 generations back. I'm 71. Thousands of recent generation descendants of siblings of my these converts who did not join the Church and of others who left the Church in subsequent generations have temple work to be done that requires permission. Because their descendants are living, they do not appear on FS, and I don't know them, nor do others I know. I'm searching for a way to find these living people.
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I also have a similar family tree
In my humble opinion - most of the people that fall into this catgory - should wait until the 110 year rule applies.
only in cases where I knew there were no descendants would I pursue the temple work before that.
If it was me and I didnt even know the family well enough to know the descendants - then I would not submit the names until the 110 year rule applies.
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contact info for living persons is intentionally kept private due to privacy laws and also issues relating to security and identity theft.
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Yes, I've assumed that approach for years. And we're always limited by privacy considerations.
But a few years ago we had a Ship Brooklyn Commemoration on Oakland Temple Hill (I live an hour south of SF and Oakland in Los Gatos Ward, Saratoga Stake). My ancestors on the Ship Brooklyn and the Mormon Battalion went on to Utah, but the Ship Brooklyn passengers and Battalion veterans who stayed in California and left the Church now have thousands of living descendants. That started me seeking how to find them even though they are not on my FS.
Then this year, wondering what more could be done to try to engage with at least some of the thousands of distant cousins who may have no clue of their ancestry and might respond favorably, I happened to be found through Ancestry.com by one of these distant cousins in Australia, not a member of the Church.
Our 4th great grandparents joined the Church in England and three of their 13 children joined the Church and went to Utah and Idaho (where I originated), but the others did not, three went to Australia (my newly found distant cousin came from one of them; my wife also happens to be Australian), one had children who went to New Zealand (where I served a mission), one to California, one to Michigan, and four remained in England. I compiled an extended family biography and posted it on the FB group the Aussie cousin set up, now with 40 members, dedicated to the descendants of the 4th great grandparents, https://www.facebook.com/groups/374211866845418.
This one way to connect to ask permission has so far netted a lack of response.
If we can figure out how to identify the names of the last descendants shown on FS, we can use https://www.spokeo.com/?g=name_compass to try to locate them, otherwise, I suppose this category of work yet to be done stays "wait for 110 years to pass" or joins other deadends and roadblocks on the shelf labeled "TBD in the Millenium" when we carry on doing member missionary work and temple work for all the missing. Thanks for your interaction!
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if you can give me a PID - I can generate a full descendants file based on what is in FS FT.
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that being said - - my own Personl opinion - and I stress personal - is that we should not be overzelous in doing the work of people inside the 110 year rule - when there are possibilities that non member descendants could still be converted at some future date - and be allowed to do the work for their own direct ancestors - instead of someone else jumping the gun who were not descendants. just my 2 cents
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sorry - - to clarify
I have two account - Dennis J Yancey and Family Bible - - they are both my accounts. sorry for the confusion.
I didnt realize I was logged in on the other account.
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Wow. Whatever you can do is awesome. If you show or give me the methodology, I will do it myself to save your time. If you can only do one, I'd start with James Arbon KWJR-K11 whose extended family biography I compiled and posted on the FB group. I'm keen to learn more about what you do. Thank you!
PID and Name of 32 “First Converts” in Ancestry of Scott Allen Hepworth
(Sorted in top-down order from FS FT pedigree chart)
KWJX-MR6 Joseph Hepworth
KWJX-MRD Mary Hirst
KWJT-35Z John Cox
KWJT-35C Eliza Margaret Roberts
LZGT-1YT Samuel C. Parker Sr
LZGT-1YT Alpheus Gifford
KWJY-6HW Anna Nash
LBXQ-PV1 Edmund Durfee Sr
LBXQ-57W Magdalena Pickle
KWJR-PQC Enos Curtis
KWJR-PQH Ruth Franklin
KWZX-X66 Thomas Chandler
KWJC-CYS John Bradley Catmull
KWJR-K11 James Arbon
L8RY-1T9 Elizabeth Newman
L8RY-1T9 Henry William Bobbitt
KWVW-D2M Elizabeth Tyler
KWJC-2JV Welcome Chapman Sr.
KWJL-HD1 Susan Amelia Risley
KWJL-HD1 James Graham
LBJF-VVT Hannah Tucker Read
KWJB-FQ6 Christianna Gregory
KWJB-FQ6 William Williams IV
KWJ4-SRX Margaret Pettigreen Hoope
KWJ4-SRX Edmund Zebulon Carbine
KWJ4-SRX Adelia Rider
KWJ6-74X Daniel Arnold Miller
LYL3-LWY Clarissa Jane Pond
KWVM-KJL Josiah Wilson Hawkins
L5X7-CHF Pernecia Jane Adair
KWVM-KJT Johann Martien Jochim Theodor Germer
LHJM-H9F Maria Catharina Elsabe Faasch
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Even more thankful!
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That's my real objective, first to meet and make acquaintance with living descendants, try to win their hearts (as a member missionary), help them discover the joy of the Gospel, and doing the proxy work themselves. As a temple sealer for 14 years and Director of Church Communication for the San Jose Coordinating Council (11 stakes) following past Priesthood Leadership service as a younger man, I'm trying to gather Israel on both sides of the Veil and build the Kingdom any way I can. I'm so pleased to have made your acquaintance!
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well . . . thats kind of up to you. The assumption kind of is - if you are close enough family - YOU should know who the closest family are because of your close relationship to them and you should be able to contact them.
that being said - there are numeorus ways to contact living persons - if you know their name and same basic info.
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I have a question. My father had three sisters and two brothers who have since passed away. I found a contact person for each of them. When I called the first one, it turned out that he is an Elder in the Lutheran church, did not believe our spirits lived after death (until the Savior’s Second Coming) and said that his father had already been baptized. He wanted to know what temple work would be done. I didn’t know how to answer him, especially since he dismissed baptism. It was a really unsettling conversation and now I am nervous about calling the others. How do I approach these other family members for permission?
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@sherylelainestanton1, you may want to review these two help articles. One gives an example of the written permission one would need to do work for a friend, which is not your case but has some general language that could be helpful to you. The other article gives language you might use to approach non church family members. Both articles can be found in the help center. Use the search box for 1557 and 926
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