My mother and father were married in the Salt Lake Temple. My fathers info is different than my moth

LegacyUser

My mother and father were married in the Salt Lake Temple. My fathers info is different than my mothers on their temple ordinances. I realize it may be a skeleton in the family closet, but shouldn't the dates match?

JeffWiseman

Assuming the clerks entered the live ordinance data correctly when it occurred, and that the clerks recorded the deaths correctly when THEY occurred, then yes they should match. I doubt that it's "skeleton in the closet" as much as a "bug in the process" though.

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There are a couple of ways those dates can get out-of-wack, but for live ordinances, they have all been recorded in permanent church records for the duration. Whether or not they are linked and correctly displayed on some PID in the FSFT can be affected by a couple of things (such as multiple merges or other complicated sequences of events in the databases since then). I'm convinced that the tools in FS are not durable enough to correctly track some obscure merge/merge/restore/merge/restore type operations in the database. It would be an extremely difficult thing to implement. but when the original person's PID has those ordinances recorded against it, the temple system always knows that original PID regardless of where merging may happen or bugs that may exist.

 

As far as getting them set correctly…I'd have to think about that one. You would need to see when various events occurred and if there was carry over in 2012 of any data brought over from the old New Family Search database. You'd also need to examine the change histories for their current PIDs now to maybe get a clue. I am assuming that they are both deceased.

 

I have person records that have had correct ordinance dates that have been changed due to incorrect merging which happens all the time.

 

Since the records in the temple database can't be touched by anyone in the FSFT, the only thing that can get "broken" is the linkage of the temple database data to the PIDs in the FSFT. So for what it is worth, the truth is out there, but it may not be in the FSFT.

JeffWiseman

Margaret, it would be interesting to look back in the change history for your mom's records to see if there were any merges. For example, if another person with the same name had been sealed BEFORE your parents were and then that person was merged with another record of your mom, the older ordinance data is usually kept through the merge masking the true dates, etc.

 

Incorrect merges cause all sorts of problems. In fact, I've seen instances where a person's PID record shows that all their ordinances have been performed, when in fact NONE of them have been done! That means that that person's ordinance status will always be masked and the work won't be done for them (i.e., If the system shows ordinances already done, it won't let you redo them). The only way to possibly fix this is to unwind the incorrect merges and separate the PIDs into the actual different people that were incorrectly combined.

 

Supposedly, when you do a Restore on a PID, the ordinances for that PID are restored to it, but the system needs to walk down through all subsequent merges and pull the wrong ordinances off all of the PIDs in that merge chain replacing them with the ordinances that should have remained on those PIDs. But that's a fairly complicated function and short of doing some very extensive testing on it myself, I'm not convinced that it works in a solid fashion. I've seen too many hiccups in that part of the software.

Family Bible

I dont understand what "skeleton in the closet" scenario you may be thinking of.

I cant think of any scenario where they would validly have different dates.

 

Brett .

@Dennis J Yancey​ ( @Family Bible​ )

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Dennis

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In relation to 'skeleton in the closet' scenario, just think of circumstances under which "Temple Ordinances" can be CANCELLED - which one may not be 'privy' to.

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And, you must NOT have "Merged"/"Combined" individuals/persons where the "Temple" Work gets jumbled in the 'wash' (ie. "Dates" way 'out of whack').

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The latter happens BECAUSE there are TWO (x2) "Databases" involved ...

▬ the "Family Tree" database; and,

▬ the "Temple" (Work) database,

where, the "Ordinance" 'Tab' is the resulting INTERFACE between those databases.

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I have reported the aforementioned "Fault"/"Flaw" quite some time ago (on a number of occasions, in a number of forums); but, unfortunately, that "Fault"/"Flaw" has NOT/NEVER been addressed/fixed.

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Brett

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Family Bible

yeh - I thought of that

but the sealing dates - would be cancelled for both - not just one.

LegacyUser

Thank you! I will just be happy they have my father correct I appreciate your time.

LegacyUser

Thank you Brett for helping me twice!! I just wondered if someone had done work for my mother without knowing my parents were married in the Temple. If there was a "Cancelled", wouldn't it have changed my father too? Anyway, I will just be happy they got one right I appreciate your time and help! Thanks so much!!

LegacyUser

Thanks! I will look and see if there have been any merges