French from the 1400's??
can anyone read this French from the 1400's?
(in the lower left quadrant)
the other writing I believe is Latin.
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Something like: "Le vendredi (Friday) sixième août (August 6) mille six cent soixante six (1666) est né (is born) au point du jour (early morning) le quatrième fils (4th son) de Nicolas (?"deullelisme") ("escuyer" (écuyer) seigneur de la Roche) et de dame Jeanne Dubuisson et est mort à l'âge de six mois (died at 6 month) après avoir été ondoyé en attendant pour son (?"parrin" parrain) monseigneur ..."0
"Charles Richard (?ese[nu]cer ... ?escuyer -> écuyer) sieur du Mesnil fils de Louis Richard et damoiselle Susanne Ladiré(?) naquit (born) le vendredi (Friday) vingt-neuviéme (29th) jour de mai l'an mille six cent vingt-six (May 1626) à cinq heures du matin (at 5am)"0
Bonjour @Dennis J Yancey ,
In English, it should give something like:
"Friday August 6, one thousand six hundred and sixty-six was born at dawn, the fourth son of Nicolas DECULLELISME, Squire & Lord DE LA ROCHE and Dame Jeanne DUBUISSON, died at the age of six months after being "ondoyé" (1) while waiting for his godfather..."
(1) An emergency baptism is a simplified baptismal ceremony used in case of imminent risk of death (mention in old parish registers), or as a precautionary measure when one wants to delay the baptismal ceremony for any circumstance whatsoever. This ritual consists in pouring water on the child's head (ablution) while pronouncing the sacramental words: "I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".
"Charles RICHARD, Squire & Lord DU MESNIL, son of Louis RICHARD and Miss Susanne LADIRÉ was born on Friday the twenty-ninth day of May one thousand six hundred and twenty-six at five o'clock in the morning."
Best Regards - Paul-Marc1
thanks so much
so - even though the Prayer Book may originate in the 1400's
these notations are from the 1600's
I didnt realize that until now.
also I believr that is part of a calendar in Latin
do you know how to decipher the basic format of the calendar?0
Thank you so much!0
also - this phrase: "Charles RICHARD, Squire & Lord DU MESNIL
implies that this was written when Charles Richard was an adult and that this was not written when he was born - is that correct?0
Bonsoir @Dennis J Yancey
Yes, it was written when Charles Richard was an adult and it was not written when he was born.
Regarding the calendar (it may be an index), it was written in French (Gothic writing) and not in Latin.
In the first column, appear the days(?) or a number(?): XVII as 17, VI as 6, XIIII as 14 (error: 14 = XIV) .... XIII as 13
In the second column, the letters of the alphabet: a, b, c ... g
In the third column, the name of a Saint ... or of a particular day, for example, on the 6th line ("Saint-Thomas"), on the 10th line ("Le jour de Noël"=Christmas Day).
The ideal would have been to have access to the other pages of this manuscript to understand the order and the meaning.
Example: opposite Saint-Etienne (11th line) there is the number VIII (8) while "Saint-Etienne" in the Gregorian calendar is December 26 (XXVI) ... 😫
I'm sorry, but I really can't do better. 😏
Best regards - Paul-Marc0
Thank You! That was exactly what I wanted to know.0
what do you think of:
A Book of Hours (a collection of prayers/meditations for different hours of the day or other occasions) typically starts with a calendar. In your example, we are looking at the last page of the December calendar. The first column shows the date according to Roman conventions (Kalends, Nones, Ides...). The roman numerals indicate how many days before Kalends or after Ides.
The second column uses the first letters of the alphabet to indicate the days of the week. 'A' is in a decorative block letter making it easier to scan week to week. Instead of indicating 'Monday,' 'Tuesday,' etc., the alphabetical reference allows the calendar to serve in any given year. One year, all Mondays will be A, the next year they will be B, and so on (they didn't calculate for leap year yet).
The last column is actually split in two, with the first letter separated into one column and the rest of the text in the wide column. These are the named feast days. In this tradition, all or most days of the year celebrated one of the canonical Saints or another feast day. Special Feasts are indicated by writing in gold leaf. Notice that the second 'B' day on this page is 'Le jour de noel' [L e iour de noel] = the Day of Christmas, written in gold.
On the facing page is the first prayer which is derived from the writings of John. The large illumination depicts John exiled on the Isle of Patmos. An Eagle (the traditional emblem for St. John) assists the apostle by holding an ink bottle in his beak. In the right margin, we see a representation of the seven-headed dragon of the Book of Revelations. In the top margin, the Trinity supervises the vision and its transcription. The text reads: "In principio erat verbum et verbum erat apud deum et deus erat verbum" = "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and God was the Word."1
wonderful - THANK YOU!
Bonjour @Dennis J Yancey
Sorry I had not read this message.
It is a good genealogical source which makes it possible to "go back" several generations.
I only just understood that in the second column, these are the days of the week: 😃
(a) = Sunday
b = Monday
c = Tuesday
d = Wednesday
e = Thursday
f = Friday
g = Saturday
Best regards - Paul-Marc0