Contested information without any evidence....
I need help to stop unverified claims - FamilySearch Data Administration does not help & does not require proof before public connects incorrect families & family members:
CONTESTED CLAIM OF IDENTITY: There have been claims made on shared public genealogy websites that my GG Grandfather Pieter Johannes de Jongh G2RB-W9M
is:
- Pieter de Jong born 20/12/1840, Rotterdam.
https://hdl.handle.net/21.12133/918D6557D76848FEA1E1D576B3A510DE
Doc: 1840.2926, folio c235 Inventory 1840C 999-01.1840C Rotterdam Archives
https://www.wiewaswie.nl/en/detail/65518828
This claim above has not been verified:
- No evidence of any passenger records provided for this person/family to South Africa;
- Records MUST be provided to evidence the claim, or it cannot stand.
Extensive research has shown 0 RESUlTS - NO RECORDS OF EMIGRATION BY de JONG members of this family to South Africa for period in question!
Search terms: Jong de 1840 (Broad search to ensure ALL possible results could be checked; each site has different search fields).
Search sources: 0 results on all of the following (Printed copies available)
- The Netherlands Archives
- eGGSA Passenger lists: http://www.eggsa.org/cgi-bin/dosearchArrivals.pl
- Ancestry: South Holland, Emigrants 1850-1899
- CBG Wiewaswie
- Ships Hamburg to South Africa, All ships searched https://safrika.org/schiff_en.html
Why does FamilySearch not require Genealogical Proof Standards? [text removed for tone]
Answers
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@GenIDanon Looking at this person, it is very well documented by the sources that he actullay was born in Rotterdam. If he in fact is Pieter de Jong, born 20 December 1840 can't be cleared with 100% certainty. But, in the Reason Box the argument given for this date is plausible.
You must realise, that because of the bomb raid on Rotterdam in 1940 by the Germans, a enormous amount of ship und civil records were irrevocable destroyed. Especially those from before 1910. So you may possible never find the evidence you're seeking.
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@GenIDanon Looking further into this family, you probably didn't look at the date and place on the gravestone. This matches exactly with the birth registration in the Rotterdam Archives!
Also it was not uncommon that the family name "de Jong" changed to "de Jongh" in South Africa. I've encountered this on quite a few occasions (also in other countries). You find both spellings in the attached sources.
Then you detached one child, because he allegedly didn't show up in the probate records. But in fact he is mentioned as 4th child, only are his first and second name switched. Also his birth and baptism show the correct name for his parents and the place.
I think all contributors did a good job in documentation. [comment removed for tone]
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@GenIDanon @Lars van Ravenzwaaij Mod Note: We’ve removed a previous comment for tone. While we understand that frustrations can happen during technical discussions, we ask all participants to keep feedback focused on the issue and to avoid language that may come across as dismissive or condescending toward others and FamilySearch. Please continue the conversation constructively and respectfully.
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