5-Digit Numbers On Locations - INCORRECT!
Please do not do what you see on this profile. 5-digit numbers in location names is incorrect.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/MVK8-VR4
Ueberau, 64354 Reinheim, Landkreis Darmstadt-Dieburg, Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt, Hessen, Deutschland
Groß-Bieberau, 64401, Landkreis Darmstadt-Dieburg, Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt, Hessen, Deutschland
Putting information out like this just messes everythingup. I've sent messages numerous times to the person who keeps doing this on several people in my branches but apparently he just ignores that.
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Your previous threads on the same topic:
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Áine.ní.Donnghaile
I know, and yet it still continues to happen. How can we get this to stop?
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I suspect it will continute until such time as the system requires locations to be chronologically appropriate (which seems an unlikely change). A lot of people are dead set on grafting current labels onto past locations.
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Except that 5-digit number thing though. That makes no sense.
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While obviously incorrect for historical records, it sounds like they are valid for those locations in the present day.
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pauli133
I'm not so sure about that being present day. I saw some 5-digit numbers on locations for the town I live in on this site as well as surrounding communities and they represent nothing related to those places. They certainly are not zip codes because I know what they are for my town and those around me and they were something non-related. Not exactly sure where people are getting this at.
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I have a lot of profiles of interest but I have to keep my follows concentrated mainly on the most problematic areas and I'm at my max of 4,000. I've sent messages numerous times when I see things like this but no response back and ertainly no corrective action either. The messages are ignored.
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@StephenDespot said:
I'm not so sure about that being present day. I saw some 5-digit numbers on locations for the town I live in on this site as well as surrounding communities and they represent nothing related to those places. They certainly are not zip codes
I looked up Groß-Bieberau. Indeed, its Postleitzahl (the German equivalent of the US Zip code) is 64401. It is within the Landkreis (county or district) of Darmstadt-Dieburg, which lies within the Regierungsbezirk (administrative district) of Darmstadt, in the state of Hessen (Hesse in English), in the country of Deutschland (Germany).
So for a German speaker, it is a very precise description of the present-day town of Groß-Bieberau. On the profile you linked to, it's clear that the places are properly standardized, so anyone examining that profile in any language can see the standardized place in their native language.
Of course, a person born in 1736 was not born in these modern-day jurisdictions; the country of Germany didn't even exist then. But we can have some compassion when someone unfamiliar with genealogical standards thinks it's a great idea to precisely identify a place using a modern-day description.
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Maybe for there but as I said, I saw some on this site for the town I live in and it was not a zip code for the town I live in. Don't ask where I saw it because I won't recall what profile but when I did see it I knew it wasn't the zip code for my residence or city where I live. If it was I would have known but it stuck out big time when I did see it.
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I am sorry this is happening. It must be so troublesome for you. Have you tried to restandardize the place? Here is some information you could share with the contributor who insists on adding the numbers.
Standardizing places in FamilySearch is important because it helps both the system and users interpret location information consistently, even when places have multiple names, spelling variations, language differences, or historical jurisdiction changes.
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dancingintherain
I've sent messages to the person but at this point there are probably hundreds, maybe thousands, of people he's compromised and I just haven't seen them all yet. But he's not the only user who does this. Several people do and hope we can raise awareness that it's just not right. If you have a custom fact and want to add a zip code, that's fine if you have backing evidence. I've done that with property maps I've found on many of my people.
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@dancingintherain
https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-enter-dates-and-places-into-family-tree
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Thanks!
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When we specify place names in Family Tree, it works out best if we use places that correspond to the time period (that is not always possible for every time and jurisdiction, but it is usually possible). This is clarified in the help article How do I enter dates and places into Family Tree? which says "If possible, enter the place-name as it existed when the event happened."
In the example cited in the original post, we have a birth happening in 1736 in Groß-Bieberau. That event did not happen in Germany, since Germany did not exist then. Rather, it happened in the Holy Roman Empire. So the correct standard place would be:
City, 1567-1806
Groß-Bieberau, Hesse-Darmstadt, Holy Roman EmpireThe 1736 date for the event fits in that range of 1567-1806. If a place in the Holy Roman Empire were used instead of Germany, then the whole issue of postal codes would go away, since the Holy Roman Empire had no postal codes.
Hopefully selecting a time-appropriate place (with a helpful reason statement for the change) will help other users to understand that this place is correct, especially when it matches a source record. In the example of Susanna Elisabetha Baltz MVK8-VR4, the birth record from 1765 says that her daughter was born in Uberau, Hesse-Darmstadt, Saint-Empire romain. That corresponds to the standard place Überau, Reinheim, Hesse-Darmstadt, Holy Roman Empire.
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