1861 Canada Census: Record exists, but not visible in index, Restricted
Hello,
This restricted record exists https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMWW-XTK?lang=en
so does not appear in the index here:
It would be the first record, but when I click through I get to the general page not the record.
There are more records on the page that appear to be missing, specifically lines 9 and 10, but I am not sure if they are actually missing, or just not appearing in the index like that first record.
I would add these 2 records manually, but if they already exist I do not want to do that. But if they are restricted maybe it is okay to make a new record?
I have run searches for them, but if they are not in the index, they probably will not appear in the searches as well.
Why are some records restricted? They are from 1861, so privacy does not seem to be an issue. Could records ever be restricted by mistake? It also seems like making duplicate but unrestricted records would be not-so-good. Is there another way to look at the records/indexes on this page and verify?
I have been frustrated by the number of missing records in parts of the Canada 1861 census, but now I am wondering if the missing ones are all "restricted".
Thanks,
Judith
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There is no separate work order for the 1861 Quebec Census, as the missing indexing issue has unfortunately affected a number of other collections as well. Our engineering team does have a process in place for restoring permissions and is actively working through cases, though progress takes time since only a limited number can be processed simultaneously. We have made every effort to document all affected collections so that each one will eventually be resolved.
It is quite common to see indexing appear out of order. This happens because whenever the "Edit Households" tool (found under Manage Indexes) is used, the affected household will move to either the bottom or top of the list. To my knowledge, there are currently no plans to change this behavior.
To answer your third point: This census used at least two different form types, and residence information does not appear to be in the data for either of them. When a household cannot be clearly delineated, it cannot be displayed in the index. That said, you can still group family members together before attaching them to your tree to ensure all will be visible within the same record.
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I did not have a problem getting into either of them. Perhaps it was a glitch that has corrected itself. Try again and let us know if you are still having a problem. Your work is important - keep up the good work.
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Hello @bjmurph,
Thanks for responding. It is interesting, the Noé Ricard (pere) record is no longer appearing with the "Restricted" label, and does appear in the index now. Maybe as you said, a glitch.
The records for lines 9 and 10 — François Paradis *, Marcelline Coupal are still not there. Also, I do not see records for the entries on lines 19, 21, 22, 33, 41, 42, and 47. I guess they really do not exist. It is curious that there are so many index records missing for this Census in this region. I have seen some pages with just a handful of records when there should be 50 (a full page). I was sort-of hoping the missing records were other restricted records that could just be made visible…
Judith
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Ok, so now records for entries 21, 41 and 42 have also appeared in the index, and they are not new records according to the change history. It would sure help to know why, and what is up with the other missing(?) records I previously mentioned. Do they need to be added?
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It is a known issue that the 1861 Quebec Canada Census does have several thousand missing from the index. You were correct in your theory that they are not really missing, but have lost access rights so you just can't see them. Sometimes an adjustment in the index will trigger a new evaluation of rights and some or all personas may suddenly come back. However, adding restricted persons to the index will create duplicates when they are restored, so engineering advises against this.
Thank you for your patience as we work to resolve the issue.
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I appreciate that you are working on this issue — and I certainly don't want to waste my time creating a mess of duplicate records. ;) However, I really want to work on the Paradis family gap in my family tree, and they seem heavily located in locations that have many "missing" records.
Is there a trouble ticket or some other system that I can watch to understand the progress that is being made?
Returning to that page today, all of the records (50) are now in the index for the page. However the records that have "come back" all appear below the records that never went missing from the index, rather than being in their expected order on the page. Are you going to restore the record order on these pages as well?
One final thing, the records in the 1881 Quebec census are grouped by residence, but not the ones in the 1861 Quebec census. This is a shame because the 1861 census mostly has married women's maiden names which is super handy. This ultimately leads to many records attached to the wrong family tree person because the person doing the work does not see the residence/family groupings. It also makes it more tedious to attach the records to each family member. The residences are included in the data, so it would be great if they were also in the index groupings.
Thanks,
Judith
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