Correcting names or just adding a note to a record
Hello.. I have emailed FamilySearch support twice, once to Asia/Pacific where i live but then recently to Europe as that is where the record comes from. Each person gave me some helpful advice but it was well detailed in the 2nd response. The support person explained the steps with me but they eventually reached a a point that the final document couldn't be opened and suggested to me to raise the question here. I couldn't find anything myself from the reply from Asia/Pacific which is why I tried again through Europe. Please note I don't have the skills to do deep searching on here. The names on the record have been jumbled through transcription probably from a poorly written original document but it is so clearly a document pertaining to my x great grandmother. I know her parents names and that of the brother who was Baptised on the same day as Caroline. I don't expect to alter the document but would appreciate being able to leave a note stating the correct forms of the names. I went past this record several times not recognising it. Thank you, Susan
Below is the communication so far. And the document in question
Carolum Farrell baptism familysearch.jpeg
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FSCs and affiliate libraries in NZ: Yext Pages Site https://locations.familysearch.org/en/nz
Also, you can actually access the same resources as at FSCs from /any/ LDS church building, as discussed in this thread:
Hope some of this helps.
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Good morning @Susan94738
FYI Support location is related to where the user is living and using the website, rather than to the location where the document was created. And, we often see that Support refers the user to this Community, where we users, some staff, and moderators do our best to help.I see from your first screenshot that you are researching in Ireland, and that record is from the Irish Roman Catholic registers.
FamilySearch does not display those images online, only extracts, BUT those images are freely available on several other sites. We users cannot edit a FamilySearch extract when there is no image because it would be impossible to verify if the error is in the index or in the original.
This is the record from your first image, an extract of the baptism of Petrum Andream Carolum Farrell in 1826.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6JN7-JW3N
Here's a link to the image on the National Library of Ireland sitehttps://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633483#page/191/mode/1up
It's a wonderful image, from 200 years ago - very clearly and neatly written. You're fortunate!
And, the extract/index is a good representation of the original.
I don't see from your attachments what differences you want to document. Can you please explain?
Hope this helps!
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@Susan94738 I would be happy to edit this record for you if the indexing does not match what is on the document. If the index is correct it should be left as an accurate transcription.
If the corrections you seek are because of the names being in Latin, Áine can give you better advice on how to document the differences.
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Hello.. I didn't realise there were answers to my question so thank you. I hope I said I knew I can't change the document. I now have the very original. The problem was that it took a long time for me to realise who the entry referred to due to the fact the names are in Latin. Once I realised that to be the case I would have liked to have added a note so if anyone else was looking they wouldn't skip over like I did. There just doesn't seem to be a way to do it. And only last night I realised that it isn't two children baptised on the same day day ( i.e Peter and Caroline) it is actually Peter's full name of Peter Andrew Charles in Latin rather than Carolum (Charles) being Caroline. Back to the drawing board for her Baptism.
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If I hadn't already found the original document after posting the question Aine I would have been ecstatic with what you have given me it's wonderful. I also found the marriage of his parents but I was able to do so because of information on FamilySearch. I did say in my original post that I didn't expect to later the document, I already knew if it was correct it couldn't be altered. And of course when I realised about the names being Latin, it clicked, I did Latin for a couple of years but it's obvious anyway. The Catholic church rather liked Latin. All I wondered about was adding a note saying what the names are in English so that it might be more apparent to anyone looking. I just kept missing it. And if you read my other reply to Serra Nola you will know I now see that it's one child. I didn't know Peter had a third name and thought Carolum was Caroline however the Latin for Caroline is the female form of Charles anyway so they are very close. If a note can't be added then it is how it is. Interesting too it explained to me why they are Farrell in those documents but O'Farrell in Australia and in our family. Latin wouldn't have the O'. so a lot of ground has been covered. I doubt I will find the Baptism of Caroline or the other brother Henry James as I only have the year for each and no parish, So many parishes ! Thanks for the help and sorry I didn't realise there had been responses.
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@Susan94738
I've added a note to the profile, with an alternate name, to show how Peter Andrew Charles was baptized. And I've linked that to his baptism record, for evidence.
Once I edited his profile to show his full name, a hint for his probate file appeared -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6TB9-TRXG?lang=en
And a hint for the death of his son https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XJ3-4MSR?lang=en1 -
@Susan94738
You can search by name - with images - for free at https://search.findmypast.com/search-world-records/ireland-roman-catholic-parish-baptisms
Just create a free account.
Start with the same parish where you found Peter Andrew Charles - families didn't move around nearly so much 200 years ago.
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I saw that Aine and wondered if you did it. Thank you. I also found his son which I never knew about but then I never knew of his wife until I found probate on here for a woman who died in France but probate was processed in Melbourne so Harriet (Bullen) was definitely Peter's wife. FamilySearch has her date and place of death but unfortunately isn't on findagrave so I don't know place of burial or cremation. Peter and his brother Henry were a bit troubled with Henry eventually being executed and as far as I know Peter and Harriet weren't happy so she was probably happy to go back to France. As a consequence Peter's name is also on here as Pierre Andre Charles. And you were able to find the death of his son..that's good , I only found the birth. I have done what I could to link them all together but sometimes I aren't sure of what I've done. And as Wikipedia tells us ( through Henry James O'Farrell ) that there were 11 children I have no idea of the other 8 !
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I didn't know searching could be done for free on findmypast. I do have an account but can only spend the money if I'm sure of a result but I will check the link you sent. There is a chance of finding them in the same place. They did move to Australia but some of the children were born before then. Caroline was born two years before Peter so her baptism would have been in Ireland.
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@Susan94738 Wikipedia's rules indicate it shouldn't say there are 11 children without citing a reliable source for that fact, have you checked the relevant article reference, or does that just give the bare 11 figure also?
P.S. I've just been looking at the article, what a fascinating and sad story. The 11 children reference is to Ancestry and has no detail, but it would be worth your checking Ancestry records (as opposed to trees, which shouldn't be cited in Wikipedia as they are, like FSFT, user-written content). The Australian Dictionary of Biography reference says he was the youngest child, I'd be looking at its bibliography to see where that fact came from.
I can access Ancestry for free in our local library, your nearest FamilySearch Center would also provide free access.
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Hi MandyShaw and Aine ( without the macron, but acknowledged).. lots to add. I've just finished going through over 3000 names on findmypast. More success than i expected, hoped to find Henry's baptism but no matter what I put in, Latin or English nothing came up. However Aine I did find Caroline quickly on page 10. No response in the search field so I dropped the first name and trawled through 2401 names of Farrell and variants. I found Ludviiam ( likely to be Ludwig/ louis/Lewis ) definitely correct, I expanded the search looking for others at random as well as looking for Henry and found 4 more. All baptised at the same place and although there were two other sets of parents William and Maria, the mother's maiden names were recorded whereas with my Maria they just gave her the married name of Farrell and it's the same for all the children I found. Poor woman about 1 child a year. I've possibly missed some. And Mandy as you say Henry was the youngest then they were all born in Ireland. Aine thank you for what you have done for me. Would one of you be able to see if the other children are on FamilySearch and connect them to their parents please ? It's too big for me and I don't want to make a mistake. Yes Mandy it is a sad story about Henry. The Prince asked he not be executed but I guess they had to make a point. I thought he would have been buried within the prison but he has a marked grave at Rookwood in Sydney.. I wish wikipedia wouldn't call him an Irish/Australian Criminal but I suppose that's what he was. At the moment I can't take on checking other sources, I need a break.
By the way I don't think we have any Family Search Centres in New Zealand, certainly none I've heard of in Wellington. Anything from ancestry would be appreciated. This message is long enough I'll start another one and see if I can attach details of the children I found. Unless they died at a young age they might be on the Victoria Births Deaths and Marriages.. more work ! I need to estimate a date range.
Thank you everyone ( for now at least )
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Please note Catherine's surname is wrongly spelt as Ferrall
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And another one. That's 5 plus the three I know about.. 3 to go = 11 Very likely there might have been some stillbirths or deaths as babies.
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@Susan94738 You can always see who made any additions to a profile.
Down the right side, you will see the change log "Latest Changes." Click on "Show All" to show more than the most recent.
In the body of the profile, turn on "Detail View" to see who made the latest change on each element.
Best of luck with your further searching!
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Yes I was aware I would be able to see who made changes. I've made changes myself. I've just been busy following up on one thing leading to another and trying to keep up with myself. I was pretty sure you had made the changes Aine. I've now seen the table you've added with all the children.. nearly all. Interesting about Henricum, it's years before our Henry who was born in 1833 and our Henry was Henry James whereas Henricum seems to be Henry Patrick. Wonder if he died then they had another Henry. I had tried entering the Parish but No Result kept coming up, I just didn't enter it in the correct form. out of St Andrews, Westland Row and Dublin. Nevermind, mostly got there. i didn't catch Mariam though so better go back and also use your link back to Caroline to see the original record and copy it.
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MandyShaw1
I had absolutely no idea of the affiliated places in NZ and certainly didn't think of the Temple in Totara Park (Upper Hutt ) where I lived a couple of blocks away for many years.
I now live in Naenae and I see the library here is affiliated. I'm in the library once or twice every week. I wouldn't feel confident they would know what to do but I'll ask and see what they say.
The things we learn. Cheers
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Looking at the list of children Aine, There are 9. If we add Henry James and Peter Andrew Charles we have 11. Success . At least we already know of Henry J and Peter but why they are missing from the list we don't know. Henry was born later than those on the list but Peter was born in 1826 so it can't have much to do with that. It's doubtful all the children made it to Melbourne but the family of my several x great grandmother suddenly exploded from 3 (known) children to 11. Thank you to the community.
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I now live in Naenae and I see the library here is affiliated. I'm in the library once or twice every week. I wouldn't feel confident they would know what to do but I'll ask and see what they say.
@Susan94738 You don't even need the library's help or anyone there who knows what to do. If the library has computers, just log into your FamilySearch account on one of their computers, and you will be able to access the record images that are restricted to affiliate library level.
You should be able to check their website to know what subscriptions they offer, such as MyHeritage, Ancestry, and FindMyPast. Those library subscriptions will allow you to access those resources without needing a personal subscription.
Affiliate Libraries are a relatively new option - beginning about 2016 here in the US. My library here was one of the first 5 Beta affiliates.
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Good morning @SerraNola
A few days ago, you kindly offered to edit the index for Petrum Andream Carolum Farrell if it was incorrect. We’ve determined that one is accurate.However, as I am working my way through the large Farrell family, I have found a baptism record for a Farrell sibling that could use your gentle touch, please.
Veronicam Patritian Farrell was baptized on 30 March 1818.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6N9K-VZLW?lang=en
Unfortunately, her name has been indexed as Honoricaum Patritium Farrell
Would you please edit her given names?
Additionally, her mother's name is Maria, but it has been indexed as Margarita. Could you repair that as well? Thank you.
An aside –
MyHeritage indexed the entry as Noronicam Patritium Farrell
FindMyPast and Ancestry joined forces for an outsourced contract. Their extracts read Henricum Patritium Farrell
I’ve submitted corrections on those three platforms.
Thanks, as always, for your help.
The image on the NLI website: https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633483?locale=en#page/79/mode/1up1 -
@Susan94738
By the way, Ancestry.com has glorious color images for most of these family baptisms. I'll add Ancestry share links to the profiles.I believe those were indexed in Ireland, and the image quality certainly made the job easier. Veronica's entry is correctly indexed there.
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/61181438?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22386238435174704231557a4a6e6d53704966334e527568797832524a6f4e416c4879537665635a585a51343d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d
Also, Henry is not missing. I have attached his baptism to his profile.1 -
We are now at 12 confirmed children for William Farrell/O'Farrell and Maria Anastasia Flynn. I have attached baptisms for all 12.
In her 1841 newspaper marriage announcement, [Margaret] Agnes was listed as the seventh daughter of William O'Farrell. I knew I needed to find one more daughter born before 1823.
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Corrections were made for Veronica and her mother.
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Thank you @SerraNola
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