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Cousin Vinny
Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭✭
April 2 in Search

@SerraNola @Áine.ní.Donnghaile

The AI field-indexed Italian records that started showing up in the past few months are all of a sudden no longer viewable. Examples:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NH1-H3HT?lang=en

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NHY-6CH9

Similarly, those newly indexed records are still showing as record hints on profiles, but you can no longer view the indexed information or link them as sources. Example:

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/research-help/GY88-7QW

What's going on?

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Answers

  • Áine.ní.Donnghaile
    Áine.ní.Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    April 2

    I encountered one of those a few months ago. The AI index appeared in a search for the person, but could not be opened to view even the full details of the extract.

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  • SerraNola
    SerraNola mod
    April 2

    @Cousin Vinny My first thought was new DGA restrictions, but I am not seeing anything in the permissions change log for those films. I have a request in for Rights Management to take a look.

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  • Benjamin830
    Benjamin830 ✭
    April 2

    I noticed this myself early last week. Record hints ALL over my family tree have shown up, but are all unviewable. I wasn't sure how or where to ask about this.

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  • SerraNola
    SerraNola mod
    April 2

    @Benjamin830 Are yours also for Bari?

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  • Cousin Vinny
    Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭✭
    April 3

    @SerraNola it is also happening for Cosenza province

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/research-help/GLF4-JXT

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  • SerraNola
    SerraNola mod
    April 3

    @Cousin Vinny Are you able to view this record?

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NHB-JFT5?lang=en

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  • Cousin Vinny
    Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭✭
    April 3
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/623624#Comment_623624

    Yes

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  • Cousin Vinny
    Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭✭
    April 3

    I am guessing that was probably a volunteer-indexed record.

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  • SerraNola
    SerraNola mod
    April 3

    @Cousin Vinny I got the final word and it is what we feared. They had to move almost 500K films to a DGA contract that allows access only to LDS accounts. I'm so sorry.

    The link I sent was a record attached to the tree. I noticed in the indexes that everything attached was unlocked, but that doesn't help with the record hints.

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  • Áine.ní.Donnghaile
    Áine.ní.Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    April 3

    Thanks for following up, @SerraNola.

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  • Cousin Vinny
    Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭✭
    April 3

    We'll that's...extremely disappointing.

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  • Benjamin830
    Benjamin830 ✭
    April 6
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/623605#Comment_623605

    No. Licata, Termini Immerse in Sicily, and several towns including Rionero Sannitico in (Campobasso) Molise, along with many other records I've looked at. It seems to be basically all of Italy. This makes sense with your latest post that it was a broader change in the data.

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  • Benjamin830
    Benjamin830 ✭
    April 6
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/623710#Comment_623710

    Agreed. 😞

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  • Andreaq69
    Andreaq69 ✭
    April 8

    Da quel che si legge in giro su facebook, reddit e qui: https://italianismo.com.br/it/italia-restringe-acesso-aos-documentos-historicos-no-familysearch/

    e su questo forum italiano: https://www.tuttogenealogia.it/viewtopic.php?p=215006#p215006

    pare che la Direzione Generale degli Archivi, l'ente pubblico che gestisce gli Archivi di Stato e che dipende dal Ministero della Cultura, abbia modificato unilateralmente il contratto con FS impedendogli di mostrare i registri di sua pertinenza e anche la maggior parte dei metadati estratti.

    Una pessima notizia.

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  • SerraNola
    SerraNola mod
    April 8

    Translation: "Based on what is circulating on Facebook, Reddit, and here: https://italianismo.com.br/it/italia-restringe-acesso-aos-documentos-historicos-no-familysearch/

    and on this Italian forum: https://www.tuttogenealogia.it/viewtopic.php?p=215006#p215006

    it appears that the Directorate General for Archives—the public body responsible for managing the State Archives, which falls under the Ministry of Culture—has unilaterally modified its contract with FS, thereby preventing it from displaying the records under its jurisdiction, as well as the majority of the extracted metadata.

    This is terrible news."

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