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Loïc Baert
Loïc Baert ✭✭
March 26 in Family Tree

What happens in the source list of a person when a previously, unindexed record, becomes indexed? Will there be two sources, one for unindexed record and another for the indexed one?

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  • Áine.ní.Donnghaile
    Áine.ní.Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    March 26 Answer ✓

    Once a record is indexed, it is not automatically attached to the profile. It may appear as a hint, or a researcher may find it while researching the profile and then attach it. There would be two sources for the same record in that event.

    If I notice that I have attached the same record twice to one of the profiles I follow, I may remove the unindexed version from the profile. I usually don't delete an earlier unindexed source that someone else has attached to the profile.

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  • MandyShaw1
    MandyShaw1 ✭✭✭✭✭
    March 27 edited March 27

    Worth mentioning I think that a '(Historical) Record' in a '(Historical) Record Collection' in formal FamilySearch parlance is by definition already indexed. Other attached sources can be unindexed FS Images, FS Memories, or external URLs, but none of these are available to the Source Linker, or to Data Quality Scoring, because they don't have the necessary (and FS record collection specific) metadata.

    Until Full Text searching (with its necessary precursor of AI handwriting interpretation) came along, we couldn't search unindexed FS Images at all.

    It would indeed be useful If an image that is attached direct as a source, but that subsequently acquires (or already has) metadata, could be highlighted in some way on the profile beyond a (completely separate) Record Hint. I feel a Suggested Idea coming on.

    Thanks @Áine.ní.Donnghaile and @Loïc Baert for an interesting thread.

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  • Áine.ní.Donnghaile
    Áine.ní.Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    March 27

    One caveat on external sources, @MandyShaw1 - the new project with MyHeritage.com sources does use the FS Source Linker.

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  • MandyShaw1
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    March 27
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/622982#Comment_622982

    Thanks - that's interesting. Thinking aloud I guess it means that MyHeritage's equivalent of FS record metadata is now mapped into the FS metadata structure (perhaps there is now more of a cross-provider standard for record metadata of different types e.g. censuses, marriages - if so, it would be great if we had visibility of the detail). Presumably other providers will follow (and moving information between providers without loss of source data quality will get easier too).

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  • Áine.ní.Donnghaile
    Áine.ní.Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    March 27 edited March 27

    When we add a source from MH, the source linker does a nice job of copying over the detail.
    Here's an example I added a couple of days ago. All the "Where The Record Is Found (Citation)" detail was added. I didn't do anything other than the basic attach.

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  • Loïc Baert
    Loïc Baert ✭✭
    March 27

    What if the unindexed image contains multiple records, also for people unrelated to the person in question? Will the highlight, if technically possible in the future, only show the one record that pertains to the person?

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  • Áine.ní.Donnghaile
    Áine.ní.Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    March 27

    @Loïc Baert I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
    And, I'm afraid I don't have a crystal ball or any inside information about what might be available in the future.

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  • MandyShaw1
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    March 28 edited March 28
    https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/comment/623017#Comment_623017

    @Loïc Baert Like a census page, for example? Good point. A census image when indexed divides into Record(s), one per household, each of which then has one or more Personas for the individual(s), each of whom generally has a Relationship to the head of household. Ideally the hint would be at Persona level for a Person Source or at Relationship level for a Relationship Source, except that people don't use Relationship Sources anything like as much as they would if FS made them remotely easy to work with (</rant>). (Is there even such a thing as a Relationship level Record Hint? I don't remember seeing one.)

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  • Loïc Baert
    Loïc Baert ✭✭
    March 28

    @MandyShaw1 Yes indeed like a census page. I am more familiar with the Belgian records and an image can contain sometimes 10 birth records. If I have attached the unindexed image to a person it is only in relation to one birth record. The other 9 records are for other people.

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  • Áine.ní.Donnghaile
    Áine.ní.Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    March 28

    When you attach an unindexed page as a source, the URL is of the page. Only when it is indexed is the URL for the individual.

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