Private People shows as "living"
I just asked about "living" people in my Private People. They are being shown with only the name of "living" no actual names. I have to go to the ID number and delete each one and I'm wondering why familysearch is shown as the one who input the names. There are over a thousand and I don't relish going into each one individually to delete. I do have several people I input as living but they all have first and last names. Please advise. Thank you
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@Jo Minert9 which display is showing these 'Living' people? (Is this in the Family Tree, or in a Genealogy perhaps? Maybe a gedcom import has occurred where the gedcom had these 'Living' named entries in it?)
And why do you want to delete them rather than correct them?
There are strict controls on the deletion of profiles from Family Tree: normally, erroneous (e.g. duplicate) entries would be merged not deleted. I don't know what the rules are in Genealogies.
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(@MandyShaw1, Genealogies can't be edited.)
I, too, am confused about where you're seeing what, @Jo Minert9. Are you sure it's not some sort of display glitch? "FamilySearch" is credited as the contributor of legacy data (i.e., user submissions to FS's prior systems), and of usually-automated background "data massage"; it'd be Highly Unusual and unexpected to find thousands of FS contributions in a user's private space.
Is it perhaps a bug connected with the Family Groups feature? I know that that has made the whole "private space" concept more complicated from the user's end; I wouldn't at all be surprised if it has done the same from the programmer's end.
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I'll try to clarify a bit. There are 1682 living private people. If you look at private people you can see the ones I have entered correctly and all are alphabetized. When I get to page 5 of 34 pages it starts with the alphabetized list of "living". Pages of them just like this:
Name Living Created by Created: August 14, 2014
Living LND3-CWP FamilySearch Modified: July 31, 2023
Most of the time, When I go to that ID number there is absolutely no info attached. No sources. No given or last name. No parents. No children. No siblings. No dates or places. Nothing. If I ask for relationship it cannot find a common ancestor.
There has been a couple I found with added info. But these that have absolutely nothing I can delete ONE by ONE. So I have to scroll down to page 5 for starters. Click on the id and check it out. If there is nothing I delete but then I have to go back to page 1 and scroll down to the living entries.. It's tedious to say the least.
AND they all have the created date of August 14, 2014. The modified dates vary in days but most are the year 2023.
I plan to call Salt Lake this week.
Thanks for your input.
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And obviously I can't merge if there is no one and no date to merge them with.
This is happening on my FamilySearch account.
I never used a GEDCOM
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Could you provide example screenshots of the list and of an underlying profile's Details tab without exposing any genuine living person's information?
Also (as mentioned by Julia) are you in a Family Group? If so, are others in the same Group experiencing this problem?
My Private People list only shows me (I don't create any other living profiles).
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@Jo Minert9 Are you participating in one of the Labs projects? Either CET or Family Group tree?
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I am not signed up for CET but am assuming that we wouldn't be able to see other people's CETs' living entries anyway.
I'm also thinking this may be a Family Group issue, though I can't imagine where all this rubbish has come from, unless another Group member did a gedcom or other API based import and it went catastrophically wrong.
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There are some known and reported crossover issues between the CET project and the FamilySearch tree. That's why I asked Jo Minter9, @MandyShaw1.
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Interesting, hopefully @Jo Minert9 will be able to clarify the context.
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@Jo Minert9, the thing with your list of Private People is that it is just that: private to you. None of us can see your list, just as you can't see ours. None of ours look anything like yours, apparently. Mine consists of 14 people (including me and my spouse), all with names, and with no sign of anyone besides myself as the contributor.
An FS data administrator may, however, be able to see exactly what you see, so you may want to contact Support directly. (How you do that depends on where you are, but it starts with the question mark icon at the top right on a main-site page [such as your Private People list].)
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I am not in a family group.
I will call the FamilySearch help number. I have used it in the past for questions.
I have been a Family Temple and History Consultant for several years.
Thanks for your comments. It helps weed out possibilities.
LivingMaleLiving•LND3-466
FFamilySearch
Created: August 14, 2014Modified: August 2, 2023
LivingFemaleLiving•LND3-46P
FFamilySearch
Created: August 14, 2014Modified: August 2, 2023
LivingMaleLiving•LND3-46T
FFamilySearch
Created: August 14, 2014Modified: August 2, 2023
LivingMaleLiving•LND3-4X9
FFamilySearch
Created: May 26, 2012Modified: August 2, 2023
LivingMaleLiving•LND3-4X3
FFamilySearch
Created: August 14, 2014Modified: February 2, 2023
LivingFemaleLiving•LND3-4XN
FFamilySearch
Created: August 14, 2014Modified: July 15, 2023
LivingMaleLiving•LND3-4F7
FFamilySearch
Created: August 14, 2014Modified: July 29, 2023
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What is CET?
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CET is one of the current FamilySearch Labs (Beta/Pilot/Experimental) projects. If you haven't heard the name, then it likely does not apply to your issue, @Jo Minert9.
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I have done some investigation into PIDs starting LND3, specifically LND3-C?? and LND3-4??, with very interesting results which you may like to pass on to Support.
Number of candidate PIDs that do not currently exist at all (whether deceased or living): 792
Number of candidate PIDs that apparently relate to private (probably never set deceased) people, so invisible to me: 1684
Number of candidate PIDs that relate to publicly visible (so deceased) people: 116
Out of the 116 visible (deceased) profiles, the following 17 appear to have been originally created with given name set to just Living by FamilySearch:
LND3-42D
LND3-42J
LND3-464
LND3-46Z
LND3-4BJ
LND3-4FD
LND3-4G6
LND3-4KW
LND3-4PS
LND3-4XV
LND3-4YG
LND3-C3C
LND3-CKQ
LND3-CPT
LND3-CRH
LND3-CV8
LND3-CYQThe key point is that all of these 17 were subsequently edited by your username. I'm obviously wondering whether the same applies to some of the loads of private profiles in these ranges - maybe you could have a look at the change logs of some of your unwanted 'Living' profiles?
Incidentally, as of right now an exact FT Find for given name=Living and surname blank gives 101,998 results (all deceased, obviously - goodness knows how many 'undeceased' ones there are).
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@Jo Minert9 interested to know whether this got resolved via Support, and, if so, what they said the problem had been? Thanks.
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not resolved yet. The helper at 1-800-406-1830 was a new helper and was like me clueless. He suggested I make copies and send my issue to GlobalResearch in Salt Lake City. My husband was in hospital and is at home now but requiring lots of help so I haven’t been able to pursue this further. When I get a solid answer I will post here. Thanks for your concern. It is baffling.
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