Confidential persons - Jewish
I am helping my brother-in-law who is of Jewish heritage. He is a member and has added or connected to much of his heritage for 3-4 generations to FS. Many of them have had some of their temple work done, mainly by him. He had shared FS with a number of his Jewish relatives. Earlier this year his mother's ancestors disappeared, they had been originally added by FS back in 2014. When they were marked "confidential persons" due to having an event in Palestine or Ottoman Empire the descendants cannot see them. I recreated several of the persons with additional sources that had become available but cannot merge them as they are in "different trees".
I have read through most of the blogs on this and all are frustrated. His non-member relatives are frustrated. One cannot see your ancestors that you have worked on, nor share them with other family members. Also a number of them were born well over 150 years ago. The label should drop off? Or how can we actually interact with someone who can make a difference.
One person suggested deleting the "confidential" profile and recreating without using the trigger locations. Then what happens with the temple work that has been done?
When will something change or improve?
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@HarrisChauncySteed1 Have you read the article How do confidential people in Family Tree become public?
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I am wondering if an alteration happened in the line to make your mother's relatives disappear. Could you supply us the ID where the relatives disappeared, so we could take a look. You can take a look at Latest Changes and look, especially, for deleted relationships. We will await your information.
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This is his mother: Chana Leah Anne Lohr 1912–2001 L2MW-282 It was her ancestors that disappeared. Her parents and some grandparents have duplicates with one confidential and one not. I did look at the change lists for several but did not make sense of them.
Her father: Aharon Yeshayahu Lohr 1871 – 25 May 1926 L5KH-L4J and Aharon Yeshaya Lohr 1871 – 1926 GWGK-JC5 parents: Yaakov "Yankel" Lohr 1852–1933 LNZB-9D8; Sarah "Surka" "Sheina" Leah Pinsker 1853–1950 L5VC-NDL
Her mother: Yenta Yetta Lohr 1879–1944 LNZB-984 and Yetta Lohr 1882–1944 GHML-R2T parents: Simcha Lohr 1857–1912 LNZB-9CM and Simcha Lohr 1857–1912 GGQQ-5BX; Mariam Yocheved Ha-Cohen Feinstein 1861–1935 L86D-TPZ
Leah's grandparents were all born over 160 years ago. Drop off the confidential?
How can we merge the duplicates to get the source material together, and have it visible to the other descendents?
Thank you very much.
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Mod note - Community is a public online forum. For your privacy, your original question was edited to remove information on a living person. Please see the Community Code of Conduct for more details. https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/community-code-of-conduct
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@HarrisChauncySteed1 have any of your concerns been resolved? Does anyone in your family have the family tree information in a different database? Ancestry or My Heritage? Or in a computer based software such as Legacy Family Tree, or RootsMagic?
Here is a link to the Jewish Research page in the FamilySearch Wiki.
there are a lot of Jewish Research groups that might have some valuable ideas for recording your research.
Hope this helps.
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I've found that the most complete trees for Jewish families are on Geni. (Every now and then, I endeavor to fight with the site and fix my spouse's ancestors, but I generally give up after a few profiles. Their sourcing setup is so completely impossible that I end up just putting the links in the biography.)
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No resolution. The duplicate people are in Family Search with different sources & information but cannot be merged due to the "confidential person" tag. And they cannot be "connected" to his family tree since he did not start the profile, but he did add information and sources before the CP tag was put on. Inhibits progress and creates extra work.
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Yes I have read "How do confidential people in Family Tree become public?"
Not much help unless one lives for another 100 years. Many of the folks that get tagged CP come from areas that do not have very good records. So a double whammy.
Does a 1910 census listing the person as 52 years old, birth 1858, suffice to get the CP dropped?
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@HarrisChauncySteed1, this is entirely based on hearsay, as I have not personally encountered the confidentiality bot (knock on wood), but it is my impression that getting FS staff to undo its depredations is more trouble than it's worth. It's much easier to create a new profile for the person, but this time without mentioning the "offending" part of the world in any field that the bot looks at (i.e., any event place field). Put the location information in the reason box, explain it all in a note, and put up an alert note about avoiding the confidentiality bot's notice. Then delete the confidential version of the profile.
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@HarrisChauncySteed1 I asked because the article provides a way to review the issue with Support. Perhaps you could ask if the people could be made public, but that would depend on the specifics of your case.
If you need more help about this issue, please contact FamilySearch Support.
I can escalate this from the Community but I have no access to the backend details such as looking at private persons. It may be easier/quicker for you to get this resolved through them. Please let me know if I need to pass this on or if you choose to contact Support.
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