I hope I have this problem!
What's wrong with not dying until you are 89?
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I don't know what your cut-off is for marking someone as very old, but I took a look at the combined numbers from the Reunion files we have for my family and my wife's family which both go back quite a ways and out of the people for which we do have both birth and death dates, 7.8% of them lived to be 80 or older and 4.1% lived to be 85 or older.
This may not be much of an issue when you refine the criteria for various time periods and places. But this still is going to irritate some users who see this flag, know the data is correct, and can't get rid of the flag so that every time they come to a person and have forgotten why the quality score is low go ahead and check for the twentieth time just to see again this non-problem.
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Perhaps the statement could be better phrased. Something along the lines of "This person had a longer life than many people in that time and place." That may be too wordy, but that's what you mean, I believe.
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But even with the longer statement, my reply would be "So what? The dates are right. Why do I lose a star for having correct information?" And every couple of months as I am wandering through my family and come to this person with a score of less than 5 and I click to find out why because I don't remember and read again and again that he was old, I'm either going to get very annoyed or give up worrying about anyone's score and just ignore all of them.
(Actually I won't get all that annoyed since I understand the limits of error checking but there are certainly some people who post in Communities that will threaten to leave FamilySearch because of this.)
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I agree - I was just trying to come up with something that wouldn't be quite so annoying or distressing, depending on the user's point of view.
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What are your thoughts about the following sentence:
{givenName}'s recorded birth and death dates indicate that they died around age {actualAge}. It is statistically more likely that {givenName} died at age {profileAge} or earlier.0 -
By the way, the bold words are not part of the proposal... must be a formatting issue.
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But, is it really statistically more likely? I mentioned that in my Suggestions post. The person was born in Ireland but migrated to the USA at an early age. That would have lengthened her life expectancy considerably.
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The current statement, Áine's modification, and your suggestion, @roberthparker3 are all fine with me and all really do mean the same thing. But they don't address my recurring concern. Having the statement at all means that every user who comes to a person with this comment will see the quality score, wonder why it is what it is, check the details, see a message that says there could be a problem when there is no problem, and get conditioned to just ignore the score then never check to discover real problems.
Statistics don't matter when you have a real fact. My wife has 24 relatives born in Norway between 1725 and 1800 with well documented birth and death dates who lived past age 90. It doesn't matter that statistics say it's unlikely then did. They still really did.
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I know this would complicate things, but would it be possible to dismiss some errors if there is proof, so that accurate information doesn't count against the quality score? (Similar to dismissing certain research hints ).
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One of the downsides of dismissable data problems is that if a novice user dismisses a real problem, it is no longer presented to other users. This would be even more of an issue with the more obscure notifications that are being displayed here. I think it would need to work a little differently.
How about always showing the notification, but being able to add your name and note, indicating you have verified the information and you believe it to be correct, even though it is a statistical anomaly? This could be a list of users with a count. That way if 5 people have verified it or someone I trust, I probably don't need to waste my time.
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@lyleblunttoronto1 Do you envision that note as showing on the profile, on the Scores Summary page, or both?
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My thought was that it could be in line with the Notification on the Score Summary page. But depending on how it is displayed on the Person Profile it may be appropriate there as well.
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I was pondering where this Summary might best appear and wondered if it makes sense to put it on the Collaborate tab. If you do allow for this type of group agreement checkbox, it does sound most appropriate on the Collaborate tab.
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@Gordon Collett Thank you for you input. Age ranges have been adjusted, and issues are dismissable. Is it possible for you to recheck this issue and see if it has been resolved?
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