Problem with Name Language (Ukrainian)
I've added some branch of my family with Ukrainian family name. It was ok for monthes, even 8 hours before I am writing this post. But now it shows me the "Problem with Name Language" problem and "Characters do not match Language Template". I'm pretty sure that's because of apostrophe. Apostrophe can be in Ukrainian surnames (or even personal names), and it must be there in my case, but this problem sign is pretty annoying. Is there any way to get rid of it? Or it just a temporary error? Proof that we use apostrophe in our language (mb you need it🤷♂️) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_using_the_apostrophe_in_the_Ukrainian_language
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I believe the problem is with the particular apostrophe you have chosen to use. In the Wikipedia article you linked to, and in other references I've been able to find, the apostrophe used in Ukrainian is ’ (Unicode U+2019). In your example, it looks like you used the basic apostrophe ' (Unicode U+0027). If you use the U+2019 apostrophe, then you'll find that there is no error reported for a mismatch with the Ukrainian language template.
FamilySearch used to be more forgiving in what characters were allowed in name language templates, but this was allowing all sorts of names that were inconsistent with the language template. A recent change gives a warning if the name contains characters that don't match the specified script.
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I see. Now it's a problem that on Ukrainian keyboard there is only ' apostrophe...
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You can enter the appropriate characters using the Unicode numbers. I use a US-centric keyboard, but I entered these given names in French using the appropriate Unicode numbers.
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Windows alt-number combinations don't generally have any relationship to the Unicode numbering: alt-2019 gives π (pi) using both English and Hungarian keyboard layouts. (Yes, keyboard layout affects alt-num combos.) I believe the apostrophe that Alan shows (’) is alt-0146 in most layouts.
Basically all Windows keyboards only have ' and sometimes `, however, and it seems rather arbitrarily harsh to me to require ’ instead of the keyboard's standard ' when the name is set to Ukrainian. (Typing a name should not require a computer science degree!)
(And all of this is useless if you're not using Windows. I haven't a clue how to get a different apostrophe in a fruit-based OS.)
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(And all of this is useless if you're not using Windows. I haven't a clue how to get a different apostrophe in a fruit-based OS.)
Why I only said you can enter the characters using Unicode, since there are so many variables. The process is even different on my Windows PC if I'm using the keyboard on my laptop or the larger Bluetooth keyboard I use most of the time.
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I agree that disallowing the basic apostrophe in Ukrainian is overly restrictive. I'll see if I can find out if that restriction can be relaxed.
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I really shouldn't be commenting since this is not an area I know much about. But couldn't let the "fruit-based OS" comment stand without a reply. After a bit of investigating, I found that if I set my Mac to use the Ukrainian keyboard for input, the apostrophe I get is accepted just fine:
I have three choices for keyboards: Ukrainian (shown in the image), Ukrainian - Legacy, and Ukrainian - QWERTY. I have no idea what the difference is. It's not to bad, not knowing the language at all, just using the onscreen keyboard and clicking with the mouse to type. I didn't try touch typing while staring at the screen board but when I press a key on the keyboard, the corresponding key on the screen highlights so it probably wouldn't take too long to get used to typing on the keyboard.
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Thanks for chiming in, Gordon!
I see two apostrophes in that screenshot: one all the way to the right, above the Enter key, and one just to the left of the right-hand Shift key. Which one were you using?
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That one just to the left of the right-hand Shift key is actually a comma. Instead of having its own key in this layout, you have to type Shift-period. Compare that key to any of the number keys and you can see how the graphic was designed. And if you look at the actual apostrophe above the enter key, the symbol is in the middle of the key vertically, showing that it is up in the air rather than at the baseline of the line of type.
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