Can anyone hep. I am searching for information about Catherine O’Neill born queens county ireland
She was born in 1845 parents Patrick O’Neill and Ellen Moore.
I would like to know :
- where she was born
- marriage details (she emigrated to Australia in 1866)
- anything else
thanks
Ronald Crossland
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What religion was the family? In that time you will need to know the religion because the records will be church records. Ireland only started civil registration (births, marriages, deaths) in 1864.
FYI - what was known as Queen's County is now County Laois.
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Do you know anything after immigration to Australia? You will probably have to see if any records there reference where in Ireland she was from... if you are lucky enough to find that. All I find today are some possible Australia immigration records which you appear to already have?
(I'll try the share links since the image reviewer is having a problem)
So she is listed in the first record with 2 year old Mary O'Neil.
Other headings for Catherine row (on facing page):
Calling: Nurse
Native Place and County: Portglenone, Antrim
Religion: RC
Read or Write: Both
In the second record in the left column - it appears she is:
???? and ?sister? of resident in colony
Under her name is widow so it is a little unclear but she appears to be using married name O'Neil (if so she wouldn't have maiden name O'Neil unless O'Neil married O'Neil)?
Native place and Country: Portlanoe (sounds like Portglenone so suspect it's the same place), Antrim
Parents' Names, and, if alive, their residence: John and Mary (both dead) - for daughter Mary it says father James and Cath* ... then below something like 'father dead, mother on board'
Relations in the Colony, giving Name and Address: Sister Margt Mc?Al*na? Patt/Port, Sydney
The third record shows a different ship name arriving in Melbourne the same day as the first two records but remarks that Line 4947 Catherine O'Neill "not on board". That ship was from Liverpool ...
The fourth record Passage Warrant No. 531 Date 11 Jan 1866 port of Liverpool
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Just some questions/searching logic...
If the above records of immigration are for your Catherine O'Neil - I would suspect - since her apparent daughter Mary is 2 years old and no other children are listed - that she may be the first/only child - at least with deceased father James O'Neil. I looked for Civil Reg Birth record for Mary and found one with a deceased father but the mother's name was not Catherine and it wasn't in Portglenone, Antrim. Without knowing more about where Catherine is from - there are too many possibilities for 1845 birth ...
With an Anne O'Neil listed directly above on the same line number - I am wondering if there is some relation - could this be the Aunt referred to in Mary's row? or is the Aunt the relative of residence - Margt McAl* - in the colony?
I think I also searched for marriage - James O'Neil and Catherine _____ , Antrim - but not much luck ...
If the supposition about first/only daughter Mary birth about 1863-1864 is correct - James and Catherine would have likely been married about a year earlier 1862-1863. Again no likely results found in Antrim - I think I tried Laois but nothing there...
So you've got a deceased father James O'Neil with a wife Catherine _____ from Portglenone, Antrim or a 'deceased father' with surviving widow and daughter going by maiden name O'Neil?
I think if research funds were unlimited - I might have to take a trip to Australia to see if that actual record left hand column writing is decipherable...
Source Citation:
State Records Authority of New South Wales; Kingswood New South Wales, Australia; Persons on bounty ships to Sydney, Newcastle, and Moreton Bay (Board's Immigrant Lists); Series: 5317; Reel: 2484
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007.
Of course deciphering her sister's name (from Sydney) or knowing more about the family in Australia would be great too...
What information do you have that makes you believe she is from Queens County/Laois? Where did you get those parents' names?
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Civil Birth Registration only began in Ireland in 1864. As with any new regulation, compliance was spotty at best in the early years.
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sigh ... Yes Mary's birth is cutting it close ... But it's interesting when you seem to see/find exceptions to rules. I've seen CR-Birth's before 1864 as well. It's made me wonder 'what are you doing there record?' I have no idea whether some requested an earlier record be created ... Or what those are there for...pension?
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Where have you seen an IRISH birth civil registration before 1864? There was civil registration of non-Catholic marriages from 1845, but births were not registered earlier. There was no process. There are baptismal records sometimes incorrectly indexed as births, just as the birth registrations are often miscategorized as "christening" records.
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Oh you know ... The common places to look for CR ... Irish genealogy.ie, findmypast.com ... Those are two off the top of my head. Just perform a search of a common name and arrange results by year. Maybe you're right ... Maybe those are all non-RC - but hey they are still there in the CR pot... I think I'm aware of the different search categories, criteria and result formats - but if I run across any and remember to share - I'll do that ...
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Not civil birth registrationss before 1864. Non-RC MARRIAGES before 1845-1863. Not births.
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Good! I'm glad those are all sorted in the right pots now.
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They've never been wrong on irishgenealogy, the only site with IMAGES of the records.
If you saw an Irish birth elsewhere, before 1864, then that's an INDEX/extract, not a record. The index comes from FamilySearch and has been copied to multiple other sites, with all the errors that come from indexing. I corrected one just a day or so ago that pretended to be a civil birth from 1831, but it was an indexing error for 1881.
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@Áine Ní Donnghaile Good to know 👍. Seek and ye shall find...Don't seek and ye shall not. I test the extreme/boundary cases to be sure the rules aren't hiding gems. Lunch about over ... Back to work ...
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