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Translation of birthplace in confirmation record

Joellen McAlister
Joellen McAlister ✭
September 22, 2022 in Social Groups

I'm helping my friend and need help reading the town of birth of her grandmother, Helene Grau, KCR1-QFD, and her mother's maiden name. Her records in familysearch show the mother's name as Helene Butchereit.

Please see entry # 11 for Helene Grau, birthplace (?), age 14, born 26 January 1895. I'm not sure what the next column stands for nor can I read the name of the church in the next column. Her parents are Edward and Helene (born ___________?)

This record is from Lithuanian but no one has been able to help!

Thank you so much for your help!

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3: 1:3QS7-99GQ-NC3B?i=368&cat=757684

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  • Robert Seal_1
    Robert Seal_1 ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 22, 2022 edited September 22, 2022

    @Joellen McAlister

    Hello Joellen,

    Counting the column with the number "11" on the far left as column 1:

    Column 3 is Residence place and column 4 is Birth place and written across both columns is: Krasniany.

    Column 8 is Number of the record [or document]: 20. [This is referring to the confirmation document.]

    Column 9 is: Parish: Mar. [This might be an abbreviation.]

    Column 10: I read the mother's maiden surname as: Butchereid. [Though the final letter could be a "t" rather than a "d". But in any case final "d" and "t" are frequently interchangeable so your friend's records showing the name as Butchereit matches well with what is written in this record.]

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  • Joellen McAlister
    Joellen McAlister ✭
    September 23, 2022

    The only locality I can find close to Krasniany (Lithuania) is Russia, Khar′kov, Kupi︠a︡nsk, Novai︠a︡ Krasni︠a︡nka. Do you think that may be the place of her birth?

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  • Robert Seal_1
    Robert Seal_1 ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 24, 2022 edited September 24, 2022

    Sorry, but I am not familiar with Lithuanian or Russian geography and border changes.

    I found this link on Wikipedia for a place called Krasniany in Poland close to the Belarus border and slightly south of the Lithuanian border: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kra%C5%9Bniany

    Given the many border changes in this region, perhaps this is the place you are looking for.

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  • Joellen McAlister
    Joellen McAlister ✭
    September 30, 2022

    Robert, I believe that may be the right place. Thanks for locating that!

    Joellen

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  • Robert Seal_1
    Robert Seal_1 ✭✭✭✭✭
    September 30, 2022

    You're welcome, Joellen.

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