New big clues on a dead end. Hoping to advance?
Hello,
I told people of a difficult dead end in the Nowy Sacz area about six months. New Ancestry DNA connections connect me to a German immigrant community which moved to the area from 1780-1850 at the bequest of the Polish King. Also, I found another clue at the hometown of his wife. Since it is restricted access and I cannot access a Family Search center, I am hoping someone could look for the birth record of Jan/Johannes Carl/Cohen Haas/HaB in Nowy Sacz records for me from 1825-1845:
Księgi metrykalne - Film # 004665624 (familysearch.org)
Księgi metrykalne - Film # 004665625 (familysearch.org)
I am sorry if this is not alright. I have no other idea what to do. Thank you!
JStenbock
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Hi!!
You can call the Salt Lake Family History Library and get a 30-minute free consultation. The number is 801-240-6996. Hope this works for you. PaulaAnn 😀
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Hi PaulaAnn,
I know about that. In light of the lack of interest, I might do that. To everyone else, consider this request to be closed due to the lack of responses. Goodbye.
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Please note that what you are asking would required many, many hours of research and it could be futile. Nowy Sacz now has over 80,000 residents. To research their records over the span of 20 years would be most difficult.
You refer to Roman-Catholic Records. You may look into Geneteka.genealodzy.pl they have indexed Nowy Sacz records from 1786-1916. This is one Roman Catholic Parish of Sw. Malgorzaty. But there are no Cohen people indexed.
If you check Skorowidz Miejscowosci of Gazetteer of Polish communities, you will find that there was Evangelical Parish in Nowy Sacz. It looks like the Archives in Przemysl have some records of Evangelical Parishes, several of them, available on line for your research. Otherwise you may request for a fee that they research the records of your ancestors, but you need to be more specific. You cannot ask for one person's name for them search over 20 years. But maybe you could do it. Use google translate to figure out Polish phrases. Their link is:
szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/wyszukiwarka
Nowy Sącz, community Nowy Sącz
Nowy Sącz, community Nowy Sącz
dates:
1838-1850, 1920
Confession= religion
ewangelicko-augsburskie
Type of act
zgony = deaths
signature:
1/427/0
archives:
Archiwum Główne Akt Dawnych
Nowy Sącz, community Nowy Sącz
dates:
1849-1895, 1897-1918, 1921-1925
Confession = religion
ewangelicko-augsburskie
Type of act
zgony
signature:
29/525/0
archives:
Archiwum Narodowe w Krakowie
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I sometimes feel like you are too hard on me. I am a business professional with a master's. I am too far from a FamilySearch center on top of working during the day. I wish there was a way I could do FamilySearch portal from home on my own time but for hours on end without having to share a computer with an employee. For example, Nowy Sacz had a much smaller population nearly 200 years ago (not 80,000). It is also somewhere in that area meaning my search could extend to nearby towns (notice I said Nowy Sacz area). I already did all the Evangelical church records you shared (see, I try). I have also searched Geneteka.genealodzy.pl before writing this (see, I said area meaning I expected correspondence with anyone before the research. It was not a please go do it request). As noted, consider this request closed. I will wait for the records to get indexed or a super long time until I somehow can do portal access from my home. Thank you. Goodbye!
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For what is worth - one source of Nowy Sącz German settlers genealogy is excellent work by Manfred Daum. His Ortsfamilienbuch Neu Sandez 1786-1870 does not contain last name Cohen at all. There is one entry for Hass in Stara Wieś which appears to be alternate spelling of Haas. There are couple entries for Haas living in Nowy Sącz with indicated religion as Roman-Catholic. (Ignatz, Nicolaus, Ludowica, Kasimir, Wanda) - source of the book https://www.galiziengermandescendants.org/cms/index.php/en/family-book
Another source - for original settlers and some info from head counts /census is a publication by Ludwig Schneider from 1939 "Das Kolonisationswerk Josefs II. in Galizien" there is no Cohen (one Koch) among the original settlers, there is Haas Friedrich from Leineweber, Albersbach, Wirtenberg 08-28-1782 (this is probably immigration date)
The last name Cohen would indicate likely Jewish background you might consider joining JewishGen. Or alternatively the name was Kochan and it occurred mostly in Greek-Catholic parishes and few R-C ones around Nowy Sącz. The Greek-Catholic records are freely available here and in several servers in Poland.
JStenbeck, I really understand your frustration but do not understand your impatience, the Josephine colonization Germans in Galicja is a very hard problem due to gaps and defect in the sources. The original settlers arrived at the time where no good records were kept yet in many places. The protestants did not form a parish until around 1830 IIRC. Before that the vitals would be recorded in random R-C parishes, quite haphazardly with many misspellings.
The R-C records of the Nowy Sącz are restricted to Salt Lake City or Family History Libraries by the owner of the records in Poland and has nothing to do with familysearch or the people volunteering here. Familysearch also have similarly restricted immigrant cards from State Archives in Vienna.
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