Ordinances Ready
Hi, I'm a FH consultant. I know how to use Ordinances Ready. However, I get this question a lot from those I help.....people who have no one in their reserved or shared list. When they request baptisms from Ordinances Ready, they get the usual 4 names. There is no way for them to get an additional 4 names....can this be changed?
It's circumstances where the granddaughters do not have an LDS account yet and cannot. The girls want to do baptisms but the grandmother can only provide four names. There should be a way to grab additional names.
Thoughts?
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Hi Susan,
Ordinance Ready has specifically been designed for folk who unexpectedly find themselves with an opportunity to complete ordinance work at the temple and haven't had time to prepare a list of names and cards that they can use. When you use this feature, it will only provide you with a defined minimal number of names for completion. If you want more names, these need to be prepared in advance in the usual way, printed and taken with you when attending a planned session.
I wanted to attach the URL for a Knowledge Article that might be of use to you, but I can't do this, as currently, your church membership isn't linked to your FS account, although you can change this in your account settings.
The Knowledge Article to search for in the Help Section is: Where does Ordinances Ready get names?
This explains a lot more about the reasons things work the way they do.
Hope this helps, but feel free to post again if you have further queries.
Kind regards,
Barry
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Thanks, I don't need the article, I teach from the article.
I was just saying, that sometimes people do have a quick opportunity to give youth baptisms....but can only give them four.
I'm just saying four isn't always enough....what if we were given 1-8 names. Have a place where you input how many you need.....between 1-8 cards.
Just a suggestion.
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Barry said "I wanted to attach the URL for a Knowledge Article that might be of use to you, but I can't do this, as currently, your church membership isn't linked to your FS account, although you can change this in your account settings."
Barry, I looked at my account and it states "Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints"
What am I missing......
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Susan
It's 'Brett'.
And, please do not take umbrage at my response ...
I am sorry ...
Short Answer: "OrdinancesReady" is NOT be the answer ...
You are not alone ...
"OrdinancesReady", has a specific "Limits" applied, on the Number, of "Reservations", for a particular "Ordinance".
Here is a "Knowledge Articles", in 'FamilySearch':
How do I find family names for the temple with Ordinances Ready?
Where, it states, among other things:
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The Ordinances Ready feature finds enough ordinances for your next temple session:
- 4 or 5 Baptisms and Confirmations
- 3 to 5 Initiatories
- 1 Endowment
- Up to 5 Sealings to Spouse
- Up to 10 Sealings to Parents
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Now ...
That Said ...
We can ALREADY, "Print" ANY Number of "Temple" Cards, ourselves, WITHOUT "OrdinancesReady.
We can do that ourselves, in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch":
▬ in the "Ordinances" 'Tab', of our Ancestors; and/or.
▬ Our OWN "Ordinances" 'Tab'
There is NO restriction on the Number of "Temple" Cards (or, the Gender, of individuals/persons) ...
And, we can do such; as, the "Helper", of ANOTHER User/Patron ...
So ...
That Said ...
What you desire is SOMETHING that "OrdinancesReady" was SPECIFICALLY designed, NOT to be able to do.
Please let me explain ...
Please be aware that the "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is ONLY, really, for a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one is going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available.
The "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is certainly NO substitute, for doing one's due diligence, well IN ADVANCE of visiting the "Temple" of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, for one's Ancestors, to have 'on-hand', available, through one's "Reservations" List; and/or, normal research.
Hence, the reason, that we ONLY get BOTH:
▬ a "Limited" Number of "Ordinances", for the various "Types" of "Ordinances"; and,
▬ "Temple" Work, for people, of the SAME "Gender", as ourselves,
is a DESIGN Feature of "OrdinancesReady".
Plus ...
As, "OrdinancesReady" is ONLY, a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one is going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available ...
I would humbly suggest that, your desire, may not be considered as appropriate, in view of the intended Design.
Here are some more "Knowledge Articles", in 'FamilySearch':
How do I find family names for the temple with Ordinances Ready?
Where it states, among other things;
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Ordinances Ready is designed to provide family name cards for the person signed in to the website or the Family Tree app. For example, if you are female, it only searches for ancestors who are likewise female so that you can perform their ordinances.
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And ...
Where does Ordinances Ready get names?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/where-does-ordinances-ready-get-names
Where it states, among other things;
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Ordinances Ready finds names for you that are your [ Gender ] (that is, male names for male users and female names for female users).
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Unfortunately ...
In this day and age, it appears that many Users/Patrons, consider that "OrdinancesReady" is the way to go; as, "OrdinancesReady" is such, a quick; and, easy, process.
We never had, "OrdinancesReady" up until a few Years ago.
"OrdinancesReady", is simply helpful/useful for those, that are 'caught in a bind'; when, they have a "Temple" visit scheduled (or, are notified of one, scheduled by, a Ward/Branch/Stake/District); but, unfortunately, do not have any "Temple" Cards, for their Ancestors, 'on-hand', available.
Just my thoughts.
I know, that this certainly does not help/assist; but, I hope, this provides you with some additional, insight; and, perspective.
Whereas ...
Who is to say things will not change in the future ...
Brett
ps: Again, please do not take umbrage at my response; as, it was not meant to offend ...
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Brett, I know and understand all this. I actually teach family history.
I'm just saying sometimes a person needs more than four quick cards for baptisms. If you have two granddaughters that suddenly want to do baptisms..... grandma can only hand them four names.
Just wish we could quickly grab a few more....
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😀
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Anything we can do to get the youth in the temple, right?
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Susan
Regardless ...
"OrdinancesReady", is NOT be the answer ...
There are OTHER avenues ...
For ALL, including the "Youth" ...
Brett
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"It's circumstances where the granddaughters do not have an LDS account yet and cannot."
Cannot? The minimum age for a FamilySearch account is 8 years old. Youth have to be at least 11 years old to attend the temple. Why can these granddaughters not set up an account and use Ordinances Ready to print their own cards?
See: https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-create-a-free-account-for-a-child
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Cannot because of the parents.....I cannot go into detail.
I think I'm done with "Community".... I teach family history, I'm a beta tester, consultant, I teach large classes and I sit one on one with people and help them either get started and/or search out records in other countries. I'm familiar with all the articles. I only had a suggestion to help people in certain situations. Trying to help get the youth to the temple. My suggestion was humbly called inappropriate for the design of the program. Thus, my suggestion.
All the best everyone!
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Susan
Just in passing ...
On the contrary ...
The "Community.FamilySearch" Forum, is NOT "Harsh" ...
Like it or not ...
Many, of the regular Participants, in the Forum, are just (ie. try to be ) "Realistic" ...
I have been doing Genealogy/Family History since I was a young child, MANY Years (ie. well); BEFORE, I became a Member of the Church ...
Unbeknownst, to me, I already had a "Testimony", of "Genealogy"/"Family History"; before, I be came a Member.
When, I became a Member of the Church, I ONLY had to gain, a "Testimony" of, "Temple' Work, that was easy.
I have been a, Ward; and, Branch, "Family History Consultant" (nowadays, "Temple and Family History Consultant); and, a Staff Member (and, a "Director"), of Family History Centres", of the Church (nowadays, Stake/District, "Temple and Family History Consultant -- Family History Centre"), going on x40 Years.
Genealogy/Family History, is NOT a SPRINT ...
Genealogy/Family History, IS a MARATHON ...
I have ALWAYS, tried, to IMPRESS upon, Members of the Church (INCLUDING: the "Youth"), that they NEED, to DO, the proper and thorough "Research"; BEFORE, actually going to do the "Temple" Work, for an Ancestor.
So that, their "Experience", at the "Temple", WILL be so much MORE "Meaningful" ...
Too many Members, just use the likes of, the "Take A Name" Application; or, nowadays, "OrdinancesReady", to SIMPLY "Grab", an Ancestor (or, for that matter, ANYONE), to take to the "Temple" ...
ie. WITHOUT, getting to "Know", their Ancestor (or, even just an individual/person), BEFOREHAND ...
And ...
You DO NOT, have to tell me, about Parents ...
[ ie. That, is the FIRST "Hurdle", when it comes to the "Youth" ... ]
Been there ... done that ... still do ...
As an aside ...
Luckily ...
My Ward, is very STRONG on BOTH, "Family History"; and, "Temple", Work ...
And, instill such, in the Youth, of the Ward ...
You know such, when the Youth, speak of their "Experiences" ...
FIRSTLY, because, of the PRIOR "Research", that they did, on their Ancestors; BEFORE, the "Temple" ...
[ As, they explain, what they found out, about their Ancestors ... they really get to "Know", their Ancestors ... ]
SECONDLY, because of, the "Emotion", about the "Temple" experience(s), with those Ancestors ...
Now ...
That Said ...
I am sorry, if you feel aggrieved.
Many of the regular Participants, in the Forum, just try to present things, the way they are ...
But, tempered with ... we can but live in hope ... and, things may change, in the future ...
After all ...
This is, the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum, a "Public" forum, for ALL ...
As such ...
You will ALWAYS get, those that:
▬ Support suggested enhancement; or,
▬ DO NOT support support suggested enhancement; or,
▬ are "Undecided"
One, should NOT, get discouraged, if one's suggested enhancement, is NOT support by some ...
On the contrary, 'FamilySearch', MAY "Embrace", the suggested enhancement, despite all ...
It would be very SAD, if you were DONE, with the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum ...
[ Just because, SOME, do not support, your suggested enhancement ... ]
As, MANY of us, have submitted suggested enhancements, that were NOT supported by SOME Others ...
Sorry ...
I know, that this certainly may not help/assist; but, I hope, that this may provide you with, some additional, insight; and, perspective.
Brett
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Hey Brett,
I edited out the word harsh as it felt too harsh. haha
I can sit with someone for HOURS trying to teach them how to research and find family names. Hours. So the temple experience is more meaningful to them. If they have no interest, I cannot force that on them. (Though I've tried) ha
This grandma wanted to give baptism cards to granddaughters .... so the girls could go with the youth to the temple. I was only suggesting Ordinance Ready make up to eight baptisms available rather than four. I completely agree on doing the research! However, some people will never do research for a million different reasons, but will want to take "family names" to the temple when they go.
It was only a suggestion.
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Susan
I totally understand ...
[ And, the "Reasons" ... ]
Whereas, many, are NOT interested, with doing the Research (and, getting to KNOW, their Ancestors) ...
[ Most are just TOO "Busy", with Life; and, the "Living"; plus, their 'Calling(s)'; being, a very prevalent one ... ]
Been there ... done that ... still do ...
Keep submitting suggestions ...
NO matter, if SOME Others (like ME), do not support those suggestions ...
MANY, may support those suggestions ...
And, 'FamilySearch' MAY (in fact, often DOES), take 'a different tack' ...
Brett
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Instead of using Ordinances Ready, you could start a "Family Group" of ward members, who can share their ordinance reservations. The only limits would be on how many ordinance reservations are shared to the group.
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Dear Susan.
I see that this is a problem in this specific kind of situation, and that the well-informed answers given above do not meet the needs of these girls. Thanks anyway to you and all commentators. I learnt something important from this discussion.
Kindly
Anne-Kathrine Henriksen, fairly new FamilySearch Service Missionary
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