Alice Quarman 97DS-DXR
Can the parents associated with the sealing of Alice Quaman 97DS-DXR be made visible? They do not appear in Family Tree and are not in the IGI. I am wondering if they are showing as living. The ordinances were completed around 1894 in the Logan Temple.
I have been trying to merge 1894 ordinance records for some family lines. I have several duplicates of some people. I am not able to see the SP of the children.
The FS PIDs are Samuel Quarman LZFQ-DFK and Martha Short LT4H-V27.
There are other PIDS from the IGI for Samuel: G6L9-2S6, M73B-26C, 98K5-RMZ, 97QZ-X5Y, 9ON9-6Z1, 9NWK-Z3X, 9S32-GWC
Martha Short: M73B-2VV, G6L9-XBL, 98K5-R90, 97QZ-XRQ, 9ON9-688, 9NWK-Z3F, 9S32-G4V
I am not sure if I found all of them or it I transcribed all of them correctly, but hopefully you get the idea. They have around six children that should show.
Thank you
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Can the parents associated with the sealing of Alice Quaman 97DS-DXR be made visible? They do not appear in Family Tree and are not in the IGI.
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You will need to check the ID number, and be sure of sources. We have given you some suggestions we hope are helpful.
Samuel Quarman LZFQ-DFK, has a list of sources you might wish to cross-check with those listed under
Martha Short, LT4H-V27, containing birth and christening records. Or are these records for Samuel's father James Quarman and Martha Long?
You will need to do some research, to be sure that the sources are attached to the appropriate individuals, and the list of children for each is backed by sources naming them and their parents.
You have enclosed several ID numbers for both Samuel and Martha that are from the IGI (International Genealogical Index), but it makes a difference which area they came from:
Community Indexed IGI. Information transcribed from various historical documents from many countries and organizations. It tends to cover the time frame of the early 1500s to 1885. In November of 2014, FamilySearch added the community indexed IGI records as sources to Family Tree. If you click a source title, you can see a yellow box with this message, “This extracted IGI record was used to create this person.” Search the index at https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/igi.
These records have direct links to individuals listed in Family Tree.
Community Contributed IGI. Information derived from family records submitted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by its members. The members gave the best information available at the time. However, the data is not documented. Before you rely on it, you should carefully review the data and find sources to verify it. Search the Community contributed IGI from FamilySearch Genealogies.
The contributed IGI does not have direct links, but you can copy the PID, and then search for that PID in Family Tree. You usually find the person has been merged into another or possibly hijacked.
The article above may also be helpful, as well as the connected links listed at the bottom of the the article.
We hope this information is helpful.
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Alice Quarman 97DS-DXR currently is a combination of three records:
- Alice Quarman 97DS-DXR - her original 2012 import shows no parents.
- Alice Quarman MNYN-HZZ - her original 2012 import shows no parents.
- Alice Quarman MQV4-Y73 - her original 2012 import shows no parents.
This means that whichever of these three records was the one to contain her sealing to parents completed 1 March 1895, it had already been separated from her parents prior to 2012, most likely in New Family Search. This also means that there is no way for @smclift to restore these parents by herself. Only someone from support can do this.
Looking under Genealogies and searching for Alice Quarman of Britton (https://www.familysearch.org/search/genealogies/results?q.anyPlace=bitton&q.givenName=alice&q.surname=quarman), the top six results could all be her. Two do not have parents. The other four all have the same parents which are Samuel Quarman and Elizabeth. Two of those have Elizabeth as Elizabeth Gunter.
Using that information and checking the Family Group Sheet archives does not show any sheets for any Quarmans, most likely because the ordinances were all completed prior the timespan covered by that record set.
The early church information file does not have anyone with last name Quarman so that does not help.
Of possible interest is Martha Quarman MJCY-N2M who also shows sealing to parents 1 March 1895 to hidden parents.
There are two possiblities here.1) Alice was sealed to the wrong parents in 1895 and someone corrected this by detaching her from those parents. In this case the parents should remain hidden. 2) Alice was sealed to her correct parents in 1895 and someone in New Family Search messed up a merge and lost her parents. In this case, those parents should be identified, and reattached to Alice so the parents can be properly merged if they have duplicates and other duplicates for Alice can be found if there are any.
There is a fairly complete tree for a Samuel Quarman of Bitton in Family Tree that shows two daughters named Alice, one born 1822 and died 1824, the other born 1828 and died 1850. If this is the same family, it will have be be decided which Alice was sealed in 1895, which would determine if other ordinances are needed or not. There is a good chance both Alice's were sealed on that day to their parents.
@Sanra, could you please have someone check the underlying data for that sealing and see who Alice was sealed to and where those parents are hiding in Family Tree so the family relationship can be restored if appropriate so that the sealing to parents ordinance shows properly?
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Alice Quarman 97DS-DXR: Issue resolved in a private message.
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@smclift, now you have some work ahead of you! Is that Alice's mother or not? Did someone find an error and remove her mother on purpose? Or did someone remove that mother because they confused two different Samuel Quarmans and mixed up two different families? Should be a fun research project.
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Thank you...at least this gives me a good start. These early ordinance records can be challenging. I am really happy to get this far. I am not sure that merging will not bring more issues.
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