Ordinances Ready
Thank you for this forum. I have two questions
- Why when I reserve temple sealing ordinances using Ordinances Ready, do I receive ancestors who do not have all of their other ordinances completed?
- When I use OR I can not print ordinance cards for males. Is there a way to do this as sometimes I need to take sons to the temple to be sealed to their parents.
Answers
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Lynette
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ... ]
Just in passing ...
Short Answers: 'Yes'; and, 'No' ...
Please let me explain ...
Firstly ...
[ Out of Sequence ... ]
The preference; and, recommendation, remains, to do the "Temple" Work in "Order".
And, the likes of "Endowment", CANNOT be done; WITHOUT, the prerequisite ("B";"C"; &, "I") performed FIRST.
But ...
That Said ...
NOTHING is PERFECT ...
Things, DO NOT always, go to, 'plan' (or, follow, the 'script') ...
There are EXCEPTIONS to EVERY "Rule" ...
And, "Sealing to Parents"; &, "Sealing to Spouse", can fall under that; which, can sometimes be, an EXCEPTION.
Whereas, on the other hand ...
The likes of "Endowment" cannot be an exception.
Please let me explain ...
This is an ongoing dilemma, for many Members of the Church.
The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in the various 'iterations' for the 'FamilySearch' Forums.
One does not really have to be too concerned ...
We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".
And, most importantly ...
"Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
Which states, among other things:
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Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Of course ...
Why are the temple ordinance dates out of order in Family Tree?
Where it states, among other things:
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- The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
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Plus ...
Most IMPORTANTLY ...
In one of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence
[ Note: The Words ... It is preferable ]
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And ...
In the other of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
It also states, among other things:
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Which used to read:
- Sealing of a husband and wife and sealing of children to parents (if possible). Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents.
[ Note: The Words ... Whenever possible ]
But, now reads:
- It is preferred that sealings be done after individual ordinances, but it is not required. Family Tree does not enforce the order of sealings for deceased persons. A deceased couple can be sealed before their individual ordinances are done. Likewise, a deceased child can be sealed to deceased parents before the parents are sealed and before the parents’ individual ordinances are done.
[ Note: The improvement ... ]
[ And, once again ... ]
Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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Now ...
All That Said ...
Here is a reference, specifically about "OrdinancesReay", regarding "Sealing to Spouse".
"Knowledge Article", in 'FamilySearch':
How do I find family names for the temple with Ordinances Ready?
It also states, among other things:
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Before you start
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Notes:
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- Ordinances Ready does not determine if pre-requisite ordinances have been completed when sealing-to-spouse ordinances are requested. Please ensure that baptism, initiatory and endowment have been completed for each individual before proceeding with a sealing ordinance.
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So ...
That Said ...
IF, the "Temple' Work of, "Sealing to Parents" (for a Child); and, "Sealing to Spouse" (for Couples), HAS been given by/through "OrdiancesReady"; THEN, that "Temple" Work, CAN be, undertaken; and, "Completed".
Really ...
The choice is yours ...
In regards to "OrdinancesReady" ...
As, to whether or not, you proceed, with the "Ordinances", that you received through "OrdinancesReady".
Plus ...
As an aside ...
Remember, that the "Temple" Work, of "Sealing to Parents", relates to the Child; and, NOT, the to Parents.
So ...
That Said ...
Regardless, of the status, of "Temple" Work, of the Parents, the "Sealing to Parents", for a Child, CAN be undertaken, of course, provided; where, necessary, the prerequisite ("B";"C"; &, "I") have been performed FIRST.
Secondly ...
[ Opposite Gender ... ]
And, please do not take umbrage at my response ...
I am sorry ...
"OrdinancesReady" is NOT be the answer ...
You are not alone ...
The desire, that we be able to "Print", the "Temple" Cards, for the opposite "Gender", from ourselves, through "OrdinancesReady", is a FEATURE that MANY (Member) Users/Patrons have yearned for and requested.
Now ...
That Said ...
We can ALREADY, "Print" the "Temple" Cards, for members of the opposite "Gender", to ourselves.
We can do that ourselves, in "Family Tree" of 'FamilySearch", in the "Ordinances" 'Tab', of our Ancestors.
We can (both, "Reserve"; and,) "Print", the "Temple" Cards for whichever "Gender" we desire, Male; or, Female; as, there is NO restriction.
So ...
That Said ...
What you desire is SOMETHING that "OrdinancesReady" was SPECIFICALLY designed, NOT to be able to do.
Please let me explain ...
Please be aware that the "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is ONLY, really, for a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one is going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available.
The "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is certainly NO substitute, for doing one's due diligence, well IN ADVANCE of visiting the "Temple" of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, for one's Ancestors, to have 'on-hand', available, through one's "Reservations" List; and/or, normal research.
Hence, the reason, that we ONLY get "Temple" Work, for people, of the SAME "Gender", as ourselves, is a DESIGN Feature of "OrdinancesReady".
Plus ...
As, "OrdinancesReady" is ONLY, a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one is going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available ...
I would humbly suggest that, your desire, may not be considered as appropriate, in view of the intended Design.
Here are some "Knowledge Articles", in 'FamilySearch':
How do I find family names for the temple with Ordinances Ready?
Where it states, among other things;
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Ordinances Ready is designed to provide family name cards for the person signed in to the website or the Family Tree app. For example, if you are female, it only searches for ancestors who are likewise female so that you can perform their ordinances.
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And ...
Where does Ordinances Ready get names?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/where-does-ordinances-ready-get-names
Where it states, among other things;
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Ordinances Ready finds names for you that are your [ Gender ] (that is, male names for male users and female names for female users).
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Unfortunately ...
In this day and age, it appears that many Users/Patrons, consider that "OrdinancesReady" is the way to go; as, "OrdinancesReady" is such, a quick; and, easy, process.
We never had, "OrdinancesReady" up until a few Years ago.
"OrdinancesReady", is simply helpful/useful for those, that are 'caught in a bind'; when, they have a "Temple" visit scheduled (or, are notified of one, scheduled by, a Ward/Branch/Stake/District); but, unfortunately, do not have any "Temple" Cards, for their Ancestors, 'on-hand', available.
Just my thoughts.
I know, that this certainly does not help/assist; but, I hope, this provides you with some additional, insight; and, perspective.
Whereas ...
Who is to say things will not change in the future ...
Brett
ps: Again, please do not take umbrage at my response, no offence was intended.
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Hello @Lynette Durrant Rasmussen
The Ordinance Ready feature is just a quick way for you to find names easily for your next temple visit.
It only finds names for you. So if you are female, it only finds female names.
The program doesn't check if earlier ordinances have been completed. That is something you will have to check. I guess there were too many contingencies for the engineers to cover to include that ability.
If you would like to print family name cards for your husband or a son you could encourage them to use Ordinance Ready themselves (it is pretty simple) [Teach them to fish:), paddle their own canoe; etc]
OR
you could consider requesting permission to become that person's helper and adding his name to your Planner, or use the Help Others feature. This would enable you to use Ordinance Ready on his behalf.
These knowledge articles explain further about the Planner and Help Others feature -
kind regards
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Thanks for the responses. You did assume a family situation that may not be correct for me or others. We do have male ancestors, maybe not descendants.
I do find it contradictory to state that OR is a fast and easy way to find a person to take to the temple and then need to spend time checking if previous ordinances are completed. This only seems to happen with sealings. Even using "My Reservations" the system allows me to complete sealings before other ordinances are complete. Once in awhile I see a "Waiting" note. It would be helpful if the note would appear on everyone it applies to. This happens when I use the filter Sealing to Parents and Sealing to Spouse. I still need to check every name for readiness.
Also, all those who use OR occasionally that I have had conversations with do not check for readiness. Some state, "well if the temple is allowing it I'm just doing it" or "I never knew that, why would the system not give me person who are completely ready?"
I am also aware that during the extraction program sealings were taking place before other ordinances were complete, and have received certain unsatisfactory answers that seemed more like excuses.
My hope is this can be escalated to the tech team to consider.
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Lynette
Firstly ...
One's "Family" situation, has NOTHING to do with the matter ...
As, we ALL have BOTH "Genders", in our "Ancestral" Lines.
Secondly ...
It is NOT contradictory, to say, that "OrdinancesReady", is, quick; and, easy; as, it IS.
And, one CAN, very easily, actually, DO, a QUICK "Check", on the "Temple" Work 'Status', of an individual/person, offered through "OrdinancesReady"; BEFORE, accepting, what has been offered.
That is your personal "Choice", if you prefer, to "Check" the 'Status', of the prerequisite "Ordinances", prior to doing the "Sealings", offered through "OrdinancesReady", rather than going and doing the "Sealings".
And, that is quite, acceptable; and, commendable ...
But ...
That Said ...
We have been advised ...
That such is NOT necessary; and, that we CAN proceed, with "Sealings", offered through "OrdinancesReady", despite the fact, that the prerequisite "Ordinances", have NOT been "Completed".
IF, one chooses NOT to do such; THEN, that is just fine/O.K., that is one's "Choice" ...
Thirdly ...
So ...
That Said ...
IF, OTHER Users/Patrons, choose NOT to "Check", the 'Staus', of the prerequisite "Ordinances", for "Sealings", offered through "OrdinancesReady"; THEN, that is ALSO just fine/O.K.; and, THEIR "Choice" ...
As, they DO NOT have to; as, we have been advised ...
There is NOTHING "Wrong" with that ...
Fourthly ...
Like it or not ...
The 'Answers'/'Responses', that you have received, in fact, were certainly, "Satisfactory"; and, NOT, "Excuses".
As I previous advised ...
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This is an ongoing dilemma, for many Members of the Church.
The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in the various 'iterations' for the 'FamilySearch' Forums.
One does not really have to be too concerned ...
We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".
And, most importantly ...
"Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".
Plus ...
It is "Preferred", that "Sealings", be done, AFTER individual prerequisite "Ordinances"; but, it is NOT required.
'FamilySearch', DOES NOT, "Enforce", the "Order", of "Sealings", for "Deceased" individuals/persons.
A "Deceased" Couple, CAN, be "Sealed"; BEFORE, their individual prerequisite "Ordinances" are done.
Likewise, a "Deceased" Child, CAN, be "Sealed", to "Deceased" Parents; BEFORE, the Parents, are "Sealed"; and, BEFORE, the Parents’ individual prerequisite "Ordinances" are done.
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Finally ...
The matter, DOES NOT, need to escalated, to the "Tech Team", in 'FamilySearch', to consider ...
As, the WHOLE "Process", through 'FamilySearch', has ALREADY, been BOTH, "Considered"; and, "Approved"/"Authorised", by the "Temple Committee", of the Church.
Where, the "Temple Committee", of the Church, is "Chaired", by a Member of the "Quorum of the Twelve", under the "Direction", of the "First Presidency", of the Church.
Just my thoughts.
Again ...
I know, that this certainly does not help/assist; but, I really hope, this provides you with some, better insight; and, perspective.
Whereas ...
Who is to say things will not change in the future ...
Brett
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Hello @Lynette Durrant Rasmussen
If you would like to make a suggestion to the Project Managers to add another method of obtaining ordinances, or make a change to Ordinance Ready, the place to do that is the "Suggest an Idea" forum. There is a tab up the top of this screen "Suggest an Idea" to get to it.
kind regards
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