Ordinance Ready temple ordinances out of sequence....?
Often when I use Ordinance Ready to find ancestor opportunities for sealings to spouses, or children to spouses, the names that come up are for couples that have not yet been endowed, or have not yet been sealed (for children sealing to parents). Is there a way to find opportunities in the correct ordinance sequence?
Thanks,
Jamie
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Jamie
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ... ]
Just in passing ...
The preference; and, recommendation, remains, to do the "Temple" Work in "Order".
But ,,,
That Said ...
NOTHING is PERFECT ...
Things, DO NOT always, go to, 'plan' (or, follow, the 'script') ...
There are EXCEPTIONS to EVERY "Rule" ...
And, "Sealing to Parents"; &, "Sealing to Spouse", can fall under that; which, can sometimes be, an EXCEPTION.
Please let me explain ...
This is an ongoing dilemma, for many Members of the Church.
The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in the various 'iterations' for the 'FamilySearch' Forums.
One does not really have to be too concerned ...
We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".
And, most importantly ...
"Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
Which states, among other things:
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Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Of course ...
Why are the temple ordinance dates out of order in Family Tree?
Where it states, among other things:
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- The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
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Plus ...
Most IMPORTANTLY ...
In one of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence
[ Note: The Words ... It is preferable ]
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And ...
In the other of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
It also states, among other things:
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Which used to read:
- Sealing of a husband and wife and sealing of children to parents (if possible). Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents.
[ Note: The Words ... Whenever possible ]
But, now reads:
- It is preferred that sealings be done after individual ordinances, but it is not required. Family Tree does not enforce the order of sealings for deceased persons. A deceased couple can be sealed before their individual ordinances are done. Likewise, a deceased child can be sealed to deceased parents before the parents are sealed and before the parents’ individual ordinances are done.
[ Note: The improvement ... ]
[ And, once again ... ]
Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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Now ...
All That Said ...
Here is a reference, specifically about "OrdinancesReay", regarding "Sealing to Spouse".
"Knowledge Article", in 'FamilySearch':
How do I find family names for the temple with Ordinances Ready?
It also states, among other things:
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Before you start
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Notes:
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- Ordinances Ready does not determine if pre-requisite ordinances have been completed when sealing-to-spouse ordinances are requested. Please ensure that baptism, initiatory and endowment have been completed for each individual before proceeding with a sealing ordinance.
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So ...
That Said ...
IF, the "Temple' Work of, "Sealing to Parents"; and, "Sealing to Spouse", HAS been given by/through "OrdiancesReady"; THEN, that "Temple" Work, CAN be, undertaken; and, "Completed".
Really ...
The choice is yours ...
In regards to "OrdinancesReady" ...
As, to whether or not, you proceed, with the "Ordinances", that you received through "OrdinancesReady".
And ...
Most importantly ...
Unfortunately ...
In this day and age, it appears that many Users/Patrons, consider that "OrdinancesReady" is the way to go; as, "OrdinancesReady" is such, a quick; and, easy, process.
We never had, "OrdinancesReady" up until a few Years ago.
Please be aware that the "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is ONLY, really, for a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one is going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available.
The "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is certainly NO substitute, for doing one's due diligence, well IN ADVANCE of visiting the "Temple" of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, for one's Ancestors, to have 'on-hand', available.
Plus ...
As an aside ...
Remember, that the "Temple" Work, of "Sealing to Parents", relates to the Child; and, NOT, the to Parents.
So ...
That Said ...
Regardless, of the status, of "Temple" Work, of the Parents, the "Sealing to Parents", for a Child, CAN be undertaken.
I know that this might not give you comfort and address your concerns; but, I hope that this gives you some, insight; and, more perspective.
Brett
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I'm wondering why names that are not actually ready for their next ordinance cannot be filtered out to help get their work down in the order recommended. I'm quite sure it's possible to create such filters. When I go to Ordinance Ready for names to take to the temple, I always check to make sure that's true. It is not uncommon to find that a person has been sealed to their spouse but neither person has had any other ordinances done. After checking various details, I request those ordinances to be done either by reserving them myself or sharing them with the temple (although this is not always an option if they were previously shared with the temple - but I check). I also check for duplicates, since if there are any mergings they bring the completed ordinances to the merged person.
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It seems that in this day with modern computers, the grunt work could be done to do a better sort, thus eliminating names that are not eligible for the ordinance being requested.
With only being allowed 5 names in the search, it is frustrating that none of the 5 are eligible for sealings at this time. :-(
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All sealing presented to you through Ordinances Ready are eligible and can be completed. See: https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
To quote from there: "A deceased couple can be sealed before their individual ordinances are done. Likewise, a deceased child can be sealed to deceased parents before the parents are sealed and before the parents’ individual ordinances are done."
This is current, active policy.
If you are not getting these through Ordinances Ready, however, you should complete all ordinances in the usual order.
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I'm glad you included this:
"If you are not getting these through Ordinances Ready, however, you should complete all ordinances in the usual order."
It's good to know in preparing names for temple work.
Another thought I've considered. It is then very unfortunate that once the sealings are performed the individual ordinances are not completed for years.
Part of what I do on FamilySearch is review my ancestors' ordinances to make sure they're done. Most often some have been missed. So I make sure to reserve those names.
Again, Gordon Collett, thanks so much for taking the time to help me understand how I can feel more sure of following current guidance.
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