Improvements for Ordinance Ready, Temple section and temple operations
Dear Family Search:
There are several essential functions on FamilySearch Temple that very much need to be improved. While I think that heritage recipes and finding relatives in the room and other such options are entertaining functions, they are not essential functions, and do not deserve to get time and attention from programmers when more important matters need work. I and other heavy users feel this way because we spend many hours manually sorting information that could easily be automated by FamilySearch, but isn't.
First, FamilyTree needs a better way than Ordinance Ready to determine what ordinances exist to be done on any given family tree:
- Ordinance Ready spits out 4 or 5 cards and does not let a user see all the ordinances that could be done on a tree, which is a tremendous disadvantage. A list of all unreserved possibilities from a user's family tree should appear, and the user should be allowed to save, print, manipulate and choose from the list. Currently to see which ordinances exist that are unreserved, I must download to Roots Magic. FamilySearch needs to automate this within itself.
- Ordinance Ready only produces temple cards for people of the same gender as the individual user. This makes it very difficult to distribute cards to family members. This limitation needs to go. At the very least, users should have the option of choosing gender if they want to.
Second, the Temple section in general needs updating now that cards are no longer returned to temple patrons. I spend about 20 to 40 hours organizing cards and information before I begin a series of ancestors' ordinances. Almost all of this could and should be automated.
- Cards should automatically only print for the next ordinance that needs to be done (printing Baptism and Confirmation together on one card, and all the remaining ordinances separately). That way the differentiation between printed and unprinted ordinances has meaning and can be used as a sort function.
- Users should be able to quickly print out a check list of names and ordinances to be accomplished to help keep track of progress through a batch of names.
- The Sort function within the Filter on My Reservations should be more varied, efficient and effective. For example, we should be able to sort by sex, by surname then first name and by next ordinance simultaneously. Currently one can only sort by one of these functions, which is very inefficient.
- FamilySearch should keep track of all the ordinances needed to be completed before sealings are done and alert users to what ordinances and for whom they are missing for a couple to be sealed and a child to be sealed to parents. If it is appropriate to do temple work in order, it certainly is in order to help us track that. Tracking this manually is a huge time suck, and it could easily be automated so it is immediately clear who is ready, who is almost ready and what remains to be done for any couple and family group.
- Please fix the problem with the Temple Section sort function that breaks between pages and doesn't allow users to print from more than one page of reserved names at a time. That is just bad programming.
I hope this reaches someone who has some authority to create a group of programmers dedicated to improving these issues. Since the change to collecting cards after individual ordinances, FamilySearch has not done what needs to be done to support those of us who submit family names to do temple work. We have become heavily bogged down in manual sorts while noticing that fun functions that do not directly contribute to the redemption of the dead seem to get precedence.
This is coupled with the difficulty of obtaining temple appointments. I spend many hours trying to arrange appointments for the limited hours in which my husband, who still works, and I can attend the temple. These limitations have been an awful challenge. Our temple, Manti, has closed for renovations, and we must travel to other temples. There are five that are reasonable to travel to given their proximity and my husband's work schedule: Payson, Provo, Provo City Center, Timpanogos, Jordan River. Draper and Oquirrh Mountain would be reasonable, but I can almost never get appointments there.
- The temples themselves often limit the work we can accomplish with unnecessary requirements. For example, the Timpanogos Temple requires that everyone in a baptism group arrive and be seated together before anyone in the group can begin doing baptisms. I have noticed that despite some of the patrons being present, the font workers sit and do nothing until everyone appears. These sorts of inefficiencies make patrons feel constantly in the wrong, frustrated and very limited in the work they can accomplish. There must be better ways for us to work together, taking in to account that when a group of patrons are scheduled, not everyone is going to arrive at once and difficulties occur. Unreasonable requirements need to be done away with.
- We are spending a significant amount of money on gas traveling to our appointments. We try to do two a week. It sure would be nice now that Covid 19 is not so great a problem
a.) if the temples would schedule more people for each session and
b.) if we could schedule more than one endowment session per person per temple
c.) if temples would schedule more sessions per hour.
Jordan River schedules endowment sessions every twenty minutes, which makes it a great temple to attend. Can't a few other temples increase the number of sessions per hour even a little? Please allow more people per session so that temple worship is more easily accessed for people with normal working hours who can only attend before 9:00 after 5:00, especially for those whose temples are closed. Increasing the number of patrons per session and sessions per hour would take off pressure so we could schedule at least 2 sessions per person per temple.
Thanks,
Sharon Pritchett
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Sharon
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ... ]
Just in passing ...
As an aside ...
In regard to ONE aspect ...
And, please do not take umbrage at my response ...
I am sorry ...
Short Answer: "OrdinancesReady", is NOT be the answer, regarding printing "Cards", for the opposite Gender.
You are not alone ...
The desire, that we be able to "Print", the "Temple" Cards, for the opposite "Gender", from ourselves, through "OrdinancesReady", is a FEATURE that MANY (Member) Users/Patrons have yearned for and requested.
Now ...
That Said ...
We can ALREADY, "Print" the "Temple" Cards, for members of the opposite "Gender", to ourselves.
We can do that ourselves, in the "Family Tree" Part, of 'FamilySearch", in the "Ordinances" 'Tab', of our Ancestors.
We can (both, "Reserve"; and,) "Print", the "Temple" Cards for whichever "Gender" we desire, Male; or, Female; as, there is NO restriction.
So ...
That Said ...
What you desire is SOMETHING that "OrdinancesReady" was SPECIFICALLY designed, NOT to be able to do.
Please let me explain ...
Please be aware that the "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is ONLY, really, for a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one is going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available.
The "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is certainly NO substitute, for doing one's due diligence, well IN ADVANCE of visiting the "Temple" of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, for one's Ancestors, to have 'on-hand', available, through one's "Reservations" List; and/or, normal research.
Hence, the reason, that we ONLY get "Temple" Work, for people, of the SAME "Gender", as ourselves, is a DESIGN Feature of "OrdinancesReady".
Plus ...
As, "OrdinancesReady" is ONLY, a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one is going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available ...
I would humbly suggest that, your desire, may not be considered as appropriate, in view of the intended Design.
Here are some "Knowledge Articles", in 'FamilySearch':
How do I find family names for the temple with Ordinances Ready?
Where it states, among other things;
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Ordinances Ready is designed to provide family name cards for the person signed in to the website or the Family Tree app. For example, if you are female, it only searches for ancestors who are likewise female so that you can perform their ordinances.
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And ...
Where does Ordinances Ready get names?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/where-does-ordinances-ready-get-names
Where it states, among other things;
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Ordinances Ready finds names for you that are your [ Gender ] (that is, male names for male users and female names for female users).
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Unfortunately ...
In this day and age, it appears that many Users/Patrons, consider that "OrdinancesReady" is the way to go; as, "OrdinancesReady" is such, a quick; and, easy, process.
We never had, "OrdinancesReady" up until a few Years ago.
"OrdinancesReady", is simply helpful/useful for those, that are 'caught in a bind'; when, they have a "Temple" visit scheduled (or, are notified of one, scheduled by, a Ward/Branch/Stake/District); but, unfortunately, do not have any "Temple" Cards, for their Ancestors, 'on-hand', available.
Just my thoughts.
I know, that this certainly does not help/assist; but, I hope, this provides you with some additional, insight; and, perspective.
Whereas ...
Who is to say things will not change in the future ...
Brett
ps: Again, please do not take umbrage at my response, no offence was intended.
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The General Authorities have spoken repeatedly about the vital roll temples play in the salvation of both the living and the dead and that we need to be involved in that work "on both sides of the veil." I would propose that the various heritage activities and Ordinances Ready are vital parts of FamilySearch in that they deal with temple work for the living by providing encouragement and a focus on the temple for those who do not yet have the skills for or developed the addiction to traditional genealogical research that some of us have.
The listed concerns regarding Ordinances Ready are kind of like complaining a screwdriver can't hammer a nail. Ordinances Ready is a very specific tool with a very specific purpose: Get a living person to the temple by giving that person an easy way to do one ordinance for a deceased relative. The fact that that living person is there in the temple is just as important, if not more so, as the work completed for the dead. I never use Ordinances Ready. I don't need it to find names. The only thing my 17 year daughter uses on FamilySearch is Ordinances Ready. At least she knows FamilySearch exists, has an account, can do basic navigation, and, most importantly, she is going to the temple.
Regarding the Temple section, all of these are very valid points and I agree that those would be good improvements. All these points that have been brought up on these boards repeatedly and I'm sure the remarkable group of programmers FamilySearch has are well aware of the need for further improvements. Each significant update brings them. I am always just amazed at what the programmers have accomplished here.
As far as improvements go, on your item #3, it was only recently that the Perform Next filter was included in our shared with temple list and its function improved on our personal reservation list. It works very nicely for B/C/I/E, pretty well with SP, and fair with SS to filter to specific ordinances and can be used in combination with the various sort options.
Also, item #5 has been upgraded. If you check a box on the reservation page, it remains checked no matter what page you jump to or what filters and sorts are applied until you either uncheck it manually or perform an action such as share or print.
Regarding the last section regarding access to temples, fortunately this is going to be a very short term problem and nothing like the even greater restriction in availability of temple ordinances after the closing of the Nauvoo Temple in early 1846. The completion of the Endowment House in 1855 provided some access to some ordinances, but full access to all ordinances was not restored until the dedication of the St. George temple in 1877. That was thirty one years! I'm very thankful we are not looking at a repeat of that.
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if names have ben shared in a group, once they are printed by anyone in the group, the name disappears and administrator does not know who took it, or if the person plans to do one or all of the ordinances. If they only do one ordinance, then the rest of the ordinance work is lost to the group.
PLEASE make it possible to see WHO has taken a name from the group, and also an easier way to PRINT only one ordinance at a time. I find many of my group don't understand how to print only one ordinance. Need more simple instructions on this before printing each card. After many calls to members of my group I have discovered that on a MAC computer, there is no message to be careful that previous ordinance work is don before printing say an endowment. On a MAC (using either Chrome or Safari) I can print an E or sealing for SS or SP without any warning that the previous work is not done. However, another member, on a pc, gets a warning to be sure to check previous work completed. Seems like an easy fix for techs to fix.
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The FamilySearch Temple section badly needs to be updated
I don't mean to say that Ordinances Ready is the best way to utilize FamilySearch to print names for ordinances. I mean to say that the current system was set up for printing one record that we as patrons kept with us until we completed all the ordinances. That system has changed. We now relinquish our printed name cards after each ordinance, and the FamilySearch Temple software no longer adequately serves the patrons' record keeping needs and is quite frustrating to use. The process requires many hours of record analysis and reprinting that the program could do automatically if it were updated to service patrons with regard to the new policy. The FamilySearch Temple section badly needs to be updated. That is my message.
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Sharon
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ... ]
Just in passing ...
As an aside ...
Regarding, the "Printing", of "Temple" Cards ...
To SAVE 'Time' ...
In relation, to our List(s), of "Reservations", for "Temple" Work ...
Question: Have you tried using, the "Filter", particularly with, the "Perform Next"; &, desired "Ordinance"?
Pictorially ...
Or, for that matter, ANY "Combination" of the "Filters"; as, desired ...
Just my thoughts.
I hope, that this may help/assist, somewhat.
Brett
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