help me with permission to baptize my relatives
Me - Tatyana
Permission - Yuliyan, my nephew, son of my sister- Elena Lyubenova Georgieva, LN66-JQ1
Ordenances Request :
1. Me - Tatyana ; Elena, sister; Yuliyan, son; Emil Mois Ivanov,LN66-NTW,father; Mois Bohor Levi, KJDB-X6M, father.
2. Me - Tatyana - Elena, sister; Yuliyan, son; Emil Mois Ivanov - LN66-NTW,father; Yuliya Ivanova Mineva- KJDB-XJV, mother; Ivan Minev Ganev- LN66-J9S, father; Minyo Ganev - GDM8-82Q, father; Mrs. Minyo Ganeva - GDM8-NKQ, wife.
6 -8. Me - Tatyana - Elena, sister; Yuliyan, son; Emil Mois Ivanov - LN66-NTW,father; Yuliya Ivanova Mineva- KJDB-XJV, mother; Olga Nikolova Ivanova - mother, KJDB-XY9; Kiril Nikolov Ivanov - brother, GDMS-RGW; Tsvetana Ivanova - wife, GD9Q-NK.
Thanks a lot in advance !
Love,
Sister Georgieva
Answers
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Georgieva - hello!
Seems you are requesting to complete ordinances for people born in the last 110 years. To do that, there are specific steps you need to follow. They are:
When you reserve ordinances for your ancestors, you can come across a warning message that reads, "Permission Required." The message means that the ancestor was born within the last 110 years. You must receive permission from a close living relative before you can reserve the name for temple work. Verbal permission is acceptable.
A close living relative can be an undivorced spouse, an adult child, a parent, or a sibling.
If no close living relatives exist to grant permission, you can still request permission to do the ordinances. Please provide evidence that no living close relatives exist.
For more information on this topic, please consult the Church’s General Handbook: Serving in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 28.1.
Grandchildren can request the ordinances for their deceased grandparents. Grandchildren still need permission from a close living relative. Grandchildren do not fill out the permission form.
Before you start
- To request permission, you need an email account and a phone number.
- Make sure that the person who gave permission appears in Family Tree as a close living relative of the deceased person.
- If no close relatives are alive, make sure that Family Tree contains their death information. Attach sources as evidence.
Steps (website)
- In Family Tree on the FamilySearch.org website, navigate to the person page of the relative whose ordinances you want to request.
- On the person page, a series of tabs appears directly below the relative's name. Click Ordinances.
- Click Request (Permission Required).
- In the Permission Required box, click I Have Permission.
- Answer the question, "Is the spouse alive?"
- Fill out the information, and click Submit.
- A message lets you know you submitted the request.
Steps (mobile app)
- In the Family Tree mobile app, navigate to the person page of the relative whose ordinances you want to request.
- Beneath the name banner, tap Ordinances.
- Tap Request Permission.
- Beneath the policy statement, enter your email address and phone number.
- Enter your relationship to this person, along with your reason for the request.
- Enter the name of the person who gave you permission.
- Identify the relationship between the person who gave permission and the deceased relative.
- Enter contact information for the person who gave permission.
- In the top-right of the screen, tap Submit.
Steps (Family Tree Lite)
You cannot request permission in Family Tree Lite.
After you finish
You receive an email about your request no matter what the decision is. FamilySearch Support works to reply in a timely manner. Be sure to check your junk mail folder when you look for this email.
- FamilySearch approves your request. The system adds the family name automatically to your family name list. From there, you can print the family name card. If the name does not appear on your family name list, reply to the approval email you received.
- Your request requires further information. Please respond with the information.
- FamilySearch declines your request. You cannot repeat the request process. Instead, you can reply to the email you received.
You will find this information, and more "helps" if needed here:
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It may be helpful to you if you could sit down with an experienced Temple and Family History Consultant in your local area.
Try this link to find your local Family History Center and your local Temple and Family History Consultants. https://www.familysearch.org/help/helper/planner/workwith.
If the link does not work then, Goto FamilySearch.org and sign-in, then click the question mark "?" with a circle around it, then click "Help Center", then scroll down to the "Other Help Options" and click "FIND IN-PERSON HELP", there you will find a Family History Center location listed and below that your home unit Family History Consultants listed with their contact information.
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I have already done this and the letter I sent for help was written by the only consultant we have in the country.
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Obviously you don't understand what the problem is! The only living relative of these people is my nephew and I have correctly stated his relationship with me! And he gave me permission for the rites, even though he is not a member of the Church. The problem is that when I press the button I want permission, I can't figure out where to write that I have one, but he asks me: are you a close relative and that's it!
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Answer that question Yes or No and you will get to another screen.
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I have already done this when I answer yes - I am a relative - the system tells me that I am not, although I have shown that my nephew - my sister's child is a blood relative of these people and their only living heir! And when I say no - I'm not related - the system tells me I can't take care of them! This is the problem !!!!! And I turned correctly for the third time in the last few months to the only consultant in my country - and she advised me to write this letter as I sent it to you - from where to see my nephew's kinship with me and his with these people! That is, I expect help to be allowed, not to receive yes / no answers with the same outcome, but to have a field in which I can fill in that I have the permission of my nephew, with his name, phone number, email and address and hopefully after this permission for the baptism of his own grandparents, great-grandparents and great-grandparents!
I do not speak English and I translate my letters to you with Google - I hope they are readable and understandable for you. Because from your answers I understand that you did not understand anything from the problem I shared ?!
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Okay, so I think the problem is that maybe "You" are not related to the person you wish to do the ordinances for. You must be sufficiently related to that person according to policy. Generally there must be both elements, you must be related and if they were born within 110 years you must have permission from an undivorced spouse, adult child, sibling or parent also. Sorry but I cannot really follow how you are related to the person you want to do the ordinance for. Not every type of relationship will work. And there are some exceptions depending on the circumstance.
Could maybe a Mod connect her to someone with the same language as @GeorgievaTatyanaLyubenova1 speaks? Maybe that would help? Georgieva what is your native language?
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Hello again - my native language is Bulgarian and there is no trained person in my country to help me! I turned to my sister Tanya Kim - a called assistant at the genealogy center in Bulgaria - for help and she advised me how to write to you and I wrote to you 3 times and you send me the same answer 3 times, which does not help me at all! These people are relatives of my nephew - my sister's son - my blood sister Elena - here is their relationship with me:
I am - Tatiana - have a blood sister Elena / she is alive and gives me permission to baptize these people - I have the same permission from her son Yuliyan / - she has a deceased husband Emil / Yuliyan's father / - he has a deceased father Mois - he he has a deceased wife, Yuliya, and they have no other children but Emil. Yuliy a and Mois have deceased parents - respectively Emil's grandparents and they have no other grandchildren! How can my relationship with these people not be traced? I do not understand this after I have filled in all the names and details of their relatives and their deaths correctly in my pedigree!
THE PROBLEM is that in the data of Mois and Yuliya and their parents there is no option to add that my sister Elena, their daughter-in-law, or their only living grandson Yuliyan, give me permission for their baptism!
And my nephew Yuliyan is their only living heir and my sister Elena is also a relative of theirs, because she is the law wife of their deceased son Emil. And I - Tatiana are Elena's blood sister and Yuliyan's blood aunt. Are you now able to trace their relationship with me?
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Please check your messages. There is an arrow on the screenshot showing you where to find your messages. Click on the envelope.
After you click on the envelope, you will see a drop-down menu. At the bottom left, you can see an "All Messages" link. Click on that and look for a message from @DMS1737. She will help you.
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Thank you.
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Hi, because you are not related to the people you wish to complete ordinances for, there are special rules.
You must provide signed written permission from a “close living relative.”
A close living relative is defined as
An undivorced spouse (the spouse to whom the individual was married at the time of death),
an adult child,
a parent,
a brother, or a sister
Your sister Elena is a daughter-in-law and your nephew Yuliyan is a grandson. Neither of them meet the requirements of a “close living relative.”
You must submit signed permission from a close living relative of your friend. Then, you can request temple ordinances for a friend to whom you are unrelated.
A close living relative is an undivorced spouse (the spouse to whom the individual was married at the time of death), an adult child, a parent, a brother, or a sister. Please see the Church’s General Handbook: Serving in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 28.1.
Before you start
Make sure that you have signed, written permission from one of your friend's close living relatives. We cannot accept signed, written permission from yourself or your deceased friend, it must be from the closest living relative. Word the written permission this way: I, (name of person giving permission), give (your name) permission to do temple work in a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints temple, for (name of deceased), who is my (relationship to person giving permission). (Signature of person giving permission)
If your deceased friend has no close living relatives that can provide written permission, then a request cannot be granted.
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@Miss Jessie - Thank you. She has been posting that information publicly. We have had to remove the personally-identifying information about living persons, so the permissions are not filled out completely in the thread.
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