My Reservations - perform next filter
Hello,
When I go to the temple tab, then My Reservations, and then choose the filters Perform Next & Seal to Spouse -----I would expect to see a list of people whose next ordinance should be being sealed to spouse.
But I am getting people in the list who are not yet endowed. Sealing should not be the next ordinance for them.
Do I misunderstand the filter, or is something wrong with the system?
Thanks in advance!
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Hello @Ellen Zaifnejad, the article below explains why this is allowed to occur. It isn't a fault in the system, certain sealings are allowed to happen out of order but only become valid once all ordinances have been completed.
Correct order of temple ordinances • FamilySearch
I hope this clears things up for you 🙂
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Thanks!
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Ellen
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member o the Church ... ]
Just in passing ...
Further to what has already proffered ...
Short Answer: 'No' mistake; as, it is NOT a 'Glitch'; and, DOES NOT need addressing/fixing.
The preference; and, recommendation, remains, to do the "Temple" Work in "Order".
But ,,,
That Said ...
NOTHING is PERFECT ...
Things, DO NOT always, go to, 'plan' (or, follow, the 'script') ...
There are EXCEPTIONS to EVERY "Rule" ...
And, "Sealing to Parents"; &, "Sealing to Spouse", can fall under that; which, can sometimes be, an EXCEPTION.
Please let me explain ...
This is an ongoing dilemma, for many Members of the Church.
The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in the various 'iterations' for the 'FamilySearch' Forums.
One does not really have to be too concerned ...
We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".
And, most importantly ...
"Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
Which states, among other things:
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Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Of course ...
Why are the temple ordinance dates out of order in Family Tree?
Where it states, among other things:
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- The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
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Plus ...
Most IMPORTANTLY ...
In one of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence
[ Note: The Words ... It is preferable ]
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And ...
In the other of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
It also states, among other things:
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Which used to read:
- Sealing of a husband and wife and sealing of children to parents (if possible). Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents.
[ Note: The Words ... Whenever possible ]
But, now reads:
- It is preferred that sealings be done after individual ordinances, but it is not required. Family Tree does not enforce the order of sealings for deceased persons. A deceased couple can be sealed before their individual ordinances are done. Likewise, a deceased child can be sealed to deceased parents before the parents are sealed and before the parents’ individual ordinances are done.
[ Note: The improvement ... ]
[ And, once again ... ]
Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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Plus ...
Specifically for "OrdinancesReady" ...
How do I find family names for the temple with Ordinances Ready?
Where, it states, among other things:
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Before you start
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Notes:
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- Ordinances Ready does not determine if pre-requisite ordinances have been completed when sealing-to-spouse ordinances are requested. Please ensure that baptism, initiatory and endowment have been completed for each individual before proceeding with a sealing ordinance.
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And ...
Here are some other "Knowledge Articles", in 'FamilySearch':
Where does Ordinances Ready get names?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/where-does-ordinances-ready-get-names
Why does Ordinances Ready keep giving me the same family names?
Why does Ordinances Ready keep giving me ordinances that I just did?
And ...
Ordinances Ready gave me a reprinted family name card
So, basically ...
Do not be too concerned ...
'Yes', you can proceed, with the "Temple" Work of, "Sealing to Spouse"; and, "Sealing to Parents", that OrdinanceReady" provides.
[ If you so desire; but, of course, you DO NOT have to, if you do not want to. ]
The choice is yours.
And ...
Remember, for "Sealing to Parents", that the "Temple" Work, relates to the Child; and, NOT, the to Parents.
So ...
That Said ...
Regardless, of the status, of "Temple" Work of the Parents, the "Sealing to Parents" for a Child CAN be undertaken.
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Just my thoughts.
I know that this might not give you comfort and address your concerns; but, I hope, that this, may provide you, with some additional, insight; and, perspective.
Brett
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Thanks!
Yes, I understand and am fine with the guidance on preferred ordinance order --- it is SO SMART, otherwise we'd be re-doing things forever trying to get things done in the right order!
I guess I just thought the "do next" filter of the list would help me out with the preferred order of things.
Thanks again everyone!
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The "do next" filter works great for B/C/I/E but not for SP or SS. For SP it does not check to see if parents have been sealed and for SS it does not check anything. Several requests to improve this have been made on this board and I hope that it is improved some day. Until then we just need to check manually. It does take time, usually months to years, for such improvements to be instituted. Another often requested improvement is for the "do next" filter to also work on our shared with temple list. It would really be handy there.
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