"Ordinances Ready" mistakes
We are instructed not to perform sealings to parents until both the parents' work is done. Similarly, we are advised not to perform couple sealings until both the spouses' work is complete.
This being the case, why do they come up in "Ordinances Ready" when according to the criteria, many of those that come up are not ready at all?
I've been laboriously sorting through these but I know that many do not. Can this glitch be rectified?
Answers
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FYI
Welcome to the "Community.FamilySearch" Forum, with what appears to be, your first post
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ... ]
Just in passing ...
Short Answer: 'No' mistake; as, it is NOT a 'Glitch'; and, DOES NOT need addressing/fixing.
The preference; and, recommendation, remains, to do the "Temple" Work in "Order".
But ,,,
That Said ...
NOTHING is PERFECT ...
Things, DO NOT always, go to, 'plan' (or, follow, the 'script') ...
There are EXCEPTIONS to EVERY "Rule" ...
And, "Sealing to Parents"; &, "Sealing to Spouse", can fall under that; which, can sometimes be, an EXCEPTION.
Please let me explain ...
This is an ongoing dilemma, for many Members of the Church.
The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in both, this; and, the various 'iterations', of the 'FamilySearch' Forums.
And, please do not take umbrage at my response ...
Unfortunately ...
In this day and age, it appears that many Users/Patrons, consider that "OrdinancesReady" is the way to go; as, "OrdinancesReady" is such, a quick; and, easy, process.
We never had, "OrdinancesReady" up until a few Years ago.
"OrdinancesReady", is simply helpful/useful for those, that are 'caught in a bind'; when, they have a "Temple" visit scheduled (or, are notified of one, scheduled by, a Ward/Branch/Stake/District); but, unfortunately, do not have any "Temple" Cards, for their Ancestors, 'on-hand', available.
In fact, more fully ...
"OrdinancesReady" is ONLY, a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one (or, OTHER Family members) is (are) going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one (or, OTHER Family members) DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available.
And ...
"OrdinancesReady" is certainly NO substitute, for doing one's (or, OTHER Family members) due diligence, well IN ADVANCE of visiting the "Temple" of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, for one's (or, OTHER Family members) Ancestors, to have 'on-hand', available, through one's (or, OTHER Family members) "Reservations" List; and/or, normal research.
Furthermore ...
Here is a specific 'Knowledge Article", in 'FamilySearch':
How do I find family names for the temple with Ordinances Ready?
Where, it states, among other things:
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Before you start
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Notes:
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- Ordinances Ready does not determine if pre-requisite ordinances have been completed when sealing-to-spouse ordinances are requested. Please ensure that baptism, initiatory and endowment have been completed for each individual before proceeding with a sealing ordinance.
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And ...
Here are some other "Knowledge Articles", in 'FamilySearch':
Where does Ordinances Ready get names?
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/where-does-ordinances-ready-get-names
Why does Ordinances Ready keep giving me the same family names?
Why does Ordinances Ready keep giving me ordinances that I just did?
And ...
Ordinances Ready gave me a reprinted family name card
Plus ...
As an aside ...
Really, the choice is yours, whether or not, to do the "Temple" Work of, "Sealing to Spouse"; or, "Sealing to Parents", that OrdinanceReady" provides.
'Yes', you can proceed, with the "Temple" Work of, "Sealing to Spouse"; and, "Sealing to Parents", that OrdinanceReady" provides.
[ If you so desire; but, of course, you DO NOT have to, if you do not want to. ]
One does not really have to be too concerned ...
We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".
And, most importantly ...
"Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
Which states, among other things:
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Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Of course ...
Why are the temple ordinance dates out of order in Family Tree?
Where it states, among other things:
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- The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
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Plus ...
Most IMPORTANTLY ...
In one of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence
[ Note: The Words ... It is preferable ]
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And ...
In the other of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
It also states, among other things:
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Which used to read:
- Sealing of a husband and wife and sealing of children to parents (if possible). Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents.
[ Note: The Words ... Whenever possible ]
But, now reads:
- It is preferred that sealings be done after individual ordinances, but it is not required. Family Tree does not enforce the order of sealings for deceased persons. A deceased couple can be sealed before their individual ordinances are done. Likewise, a deceased child can be sealed to deceased parents before the parents are sealed and before the parents’ individual ordinances are done.
[ Note: The improvement ... ]
[ And, once again ... ]
Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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So, basically ...
Do not be too concerned ...
'Yes', you can proceed, with the "Temple" Work of, "Sealing to Spouse"; and, "Sealing to Parents", that OrdinanceReady" provides.
[ If you so desire; but, of course, you DO NOT have to, if you do not want to. ]
The choice is yours.
And ...
Remember, that the "Temple" Work, relates to the Child; and, NOT, the to Parents.
So ...
That Said ...
Regardless, of the status, of "Temple" Work of the Parents, the "Sealing to Parents" for a Child CAN be undertaken.
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Just my thoughts.
I know that this might not give you comfort and address your concerns; but, I hope, that this, may provide you, with some additional, insight; and, perspective.
Brett
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