Ordinances Ready
I'm not sure that this is the correct place to make a comment/suggestion. When I choose ordinances ready for sealing to spouse it will often bring up couples who have not had all ordinances completed and are not ready for sealing to spouse. I currently have 5 couples who are not endowed in my ordinances ready and can't get new names until I guess I do them. I talked someone at Family Search today and was explained that while they might not be ready I can do the ordinance and it will not take effect until the other ordinances are completed. This is very unsettling to me as I know that endowments are to be completed first prior to sealing. Shouldn't there be a filter so that the sealing to spouse doesn't come up until all the other ordinances are completed? How do I get new couples to seal with these just stuck in my system?
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This type of checking must be difficult to put in place. I've noticed through the years in almost every program I have used that anything involving couple relationships appear to be the biggest programming challenge.
The current help article for Ordinances Ready at: https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-find-family-names-for-the-temple-with-ordinances-ready does state:
"Ordinances Ready does not determine if pre-requisite ordinances have been completed when sealing-to-spouse ordinances are requested. Please ensure that baptism, initiatory and endowment have been completed for each individual before proceeding with a sealing ordinance."
So for the moment, the answer is pretty much to get the endowments done for those five people. When Ordinances Ready shows the names on the screen, you can click on the names and go to their person profiles. If the endowments show a green or green with stopwatch temple icon, you can reserve them and get those taken care of. If other people have reserved them, you might message them and tell them that you would happy to help take care of them and see if they will release the ordinances to you.
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FYI
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ... ]
Further to what 'Gordon' has already proffered ...
FIRSTLY ...
Please be aware that the "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is ONLY, really, for a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one is going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available.
The "OrdinancesReady" feature/function/facility is certainly NO substitute, for doing one's due diligence, well IN ADVANCE of visiting the "Temple" of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, for one's Ancestors, to have 'on-hand', available, through one's "Reservations" List; and/or, normal research.
SECONDLY ...
This is an ongoing dilemma, for many Members of the Church.
The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in the various 'iterations' for the 'FamilySearch' Forums.
One does not really have to be too concerned ...
We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".
And, most importantly ...
"Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
Which states, among other things:
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Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Of course ...
Why are the temple ordinance dates out of order in Family Tree?
Where it states, among other things:
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- The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
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Plus ...
Most IMPORTANTLY ...
In one of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence
[ Note: The Words ... It is preferable ]
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And ...
In the other of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
It also states, among other things:
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A deceased couple can be sealed before their individual ordinances are done. Likewise, a deceased child can be sealed to deceased parents before the parents are sealed and before the parents’ individual ordinances are done.
If a sealing ordinance was done out of order, you should simply make sure that the rest of the ordinances get done . You do not need to report the issue to FamilySearch Support. Nor do you need to redo the sealing. The sealing becomes valid after the individual ordinances are done.
[ And, once again ... ]
Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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Now ...
All That Said ...
As proffered by 'Gordon' ...
Here is a reference, specifically about "OrdinancesReay", regarding "Sealing to Spouse".
"Knowledge Article", in 'FamilySearch':
How do I find family names for the temple with Ordinances Ready?
It also states, among other things:
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Before you start
Notes:
- Ordinances Ready does not determine if pre-requisite ordinances have been completed when sealing-to-spouse ordinances are requested. Please ensure that baptism, initiatory and endowment have been completed for each individual before proceeding with a sealing ordinance.
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So ...
That Said ...
Really ...
The choice is yours ...
As, to whether or not, you proceed, with the "Ordinances", that you received through "OrdinancesReady".
Plus ...
As an aside ...
Remember, that the "Temple" Work, of "Sealing to Parents", relates to the Child; and, NOT, the to Parents.
So ...
That Said ...
Regardless, of the status, of "Temple" Work, of the Parents, the "Sealing to Parents", for a Child, CAN be undertaken.
I know that this might not give you comfort and address your concerns; but, I hope that this gives you some additional, insight; and, more perspective.
Brett
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