I am copying and pasting an e-mail I got from Donna Kuhlman, whose deceased husband was a direct descendant of the Kuhlmann's. This is for all who are trying to change dates; etc., around.
From Donna Kuhlmann:
Thu, Nov 11, 3:48 PM (6 days ago)
I'm in Chicago, and away from my paper files, so don't have details with me; but I DID see with my own little eyes, the microfilm of the parish records from the Lutheran Church at Gehrde, birth records for FOUR children of Bernard Kuhlman and Anna Katharina Dirckes.
Marie Adelheid Kuhlmann, March 8, 1824-21 April 1824
Johann Heinrich Kuhlmann, April 6, 1825-Jan. 17, 1897
Johann Gerhard Kuhlmann, April 1827-March 22, 1830
Hermann Heinrich Kuhlmann, April 13, 1829-July 28, 1896
The two littles died in Germany. The family resided in a tiny village south of Gehrde, called "Klein Drehle." (There is also a "Grosse Drehle." These terms just mean "Little Drehle" and "Big Drehle," Both are little more than dots on the map.
Gehrde was the parish church for the surrounding neighborhoods. This is a link to pictures of the actual church
and this is the map:
As to Samuel Kuhlman:
I would never have known he was born in York Co., Pennsylvania, if I had not found it in the St. John's (Whitecreek) records. It is there. I don't have a copy of the record, because I didn't have the technology to get that image when I had the original records in hand. I DID have possession of those precious originals, for about six months, some forty years ago. I abstracted and typed up copies of many pages, and then returned the books to Whitecreek. Record of Samuel Kuhlmann's birth is IN THERE, possibly on his confirmation record. I believe it has been microfilmed since then, but the film is not terribly clear. It's also in thready German script, which is the dickens to read and translate. It took me six months to teach myself to read it and then wade through all the entries. But I did it.
Belatedly, I also found Samuel's baptism record, in Somerset Co., PA. Both the mother, Susanne, and the year-old Samuel were baptized in Somerset Co., which is 150 miles west of York Co. But they had a year to get there, so 150 miles isn't so far.
I have control of Samuel's FG page, and most people take that as a reliable source. I don't really CARE what is posted to Familysearch, and certainly am not interested in duking it out with some old bat who's hellbent on putting something else. I've seen the records; chances are, she has not.
Kreis is harder. From somewhere, maybe her baptism, I got that Susanne's parents were "Johann and Barbara Kreis," but I never found anything else on them.
I also never found a marriage record for Samuel Kuhlmann and Susanne Kreis, but it would have been circa 1846, in Pennsylvania, presumably York Co. Do not have this record.
My personal viewpoint:
Yes, I know, I stuck my neck out asking for help, and like a big dummy, I gave out a PID number. I won't ever do that again.
We should not be working on people's records that are not our own, unless specifically asked to do so.
If we have not done the research, and all the work involved, we have not right to go and make changes to what someone else has worked hard on.
So, when I ask to desist from helping, please do so.
Also, before making any changes to another person's page, please message the person, to see where they got the information before making any changes whatsoever.
This is not meant to be mean.