"...temple reservation lists will have a new maximum of 300 rows ..."
"Starting in November 2021, personal temple reservation lists will have a new maximum of 300 rows per FamilySearch user."
Please, what is a "row"? Does that mean 300 names?
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When you look at your reservation list you will see that for one individual their individual ordinances: B,C,I,E,SP are on one row. If you also have reserved the SS for that person, it resides on a 2nd row. You are now able to have 300 rows in your "My Reservations" list. The Shared with temple list has no limits.
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FYI
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ... ]
Good 'Question' ...
Just in passing
I could be wrong; and, I stand corrected if I am ...
Short Answer: I suggest/believe, literally, "Row"/"Line"; as, an individual/person MAY appear MORE than ONCE
I just took a 'look', the "Limit", does not appear, to have been applied/enforced, just yet.
As, I have a little over x300; and, I can still 'see' them all (ie. @ x50 "Reservations" per page/screen).
But ...
That Said ...
When the "Limit" is applied/enforced, we will ONLY 'see' a MAXIMUM of about SIX (x6) pages/screens (@ x50 Rows/Lines per page/screen = for a Total of x300 Rows/Lines), on our NORMAL "Reservations" List (ie. the Two (x2) Year; and/or, the x90 Days, Periods - ie. NOT those "Share[d] with the Temple System").
Just my thoughts.
Brett
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Thank you for responding to my question. I appreciate you for that.
I went back to reread the statement about what happens after the new restriction is in place. I didn't find anything about only seeing ..."When the "Limit" is applied/enforced, we will ONLY 'see' a MAXIMUM of about SIX (x6) pages/screens (@ x50 Rows/Lines per page/screen = for a Total of x300 Rows".
What I did find was the following:
"If your temple reservation list has more than 300 rows of reservations when the update is put in place, none of your family names will be automatically released. They will remain on your reservation list until they are completed or shared or until they reach their assigned expiration date. When the reservation expires, the ordinances will be shared with the temple."
I sure hope that we will be able to see all of the reservations we have if there are more than 300... How could we review/choose/filter our reservations if we can only see a limited number of them?
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Thank you for responding to my question. I appreciate you for that.
If I am understanding the answer, it means that if we hold all the reservations for each person (B,C,I,E,SP,&SS), we would only be able to have 150 people on the reservations list because each person would use 2 rows.
That seems like a very small number.
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Yes, that is correct. These are only the rows you will have on your "My Reservation" list. You can have unlimited in the Shared with Temple list and you can pull them back to your "My Reservation" list as long as your list is less than the 300 rows at the time you want to pull an ordinance back.
Also, if your current list is more than 300 rows, you will still be able to see everyone on your list. Your view of them will not be limited. You will not be able to add more than the 300 rows.
So, say your list right now has 500 rows. And you add someone to the Tree that you want to reserve. You will not be able to reserve the ordinances until you either complete 200+ rows, unreserve them, or share them to the Shared with Temple list. One your list is at 299 (or 298 if you are reserving SS as well), then will you be able to add one more row (or 2) to your list.
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I wish it were 300 people rather than 300 rows.
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FYI
That ...
"When the "Limit" is applied/enforced, we will ONLY 'see' a MAXIMUM of about SIX (x6) pages/screens (@ x50 Rows/Lines per page/screen = for a Total of x300 Rows."
is/was really a guesstimation/calculation; based on, x300 Rows/Lines, at x50 Rows/Lines per page/screen (which is the CURRENT 'Status' of entries per page/screen, in "Temple" Lists), for a TOTAL of Six (x6) pages/screens.
So ...
That Said ...
In the future, when the x300 "Limit", is applied/enforced, we will ONLY get to 'see' (and, be able to, 'access') some SIX (x6) pages/screens, from our NORMAL "Reservation" List - and, NO more.
Whereas, some User/Patrons, who are Members of the Church, have MANY Thousands of "Reservations", in their NORMAL "Reservation" List, that are NOT "Share[d] with the Temple System".
So ...
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Those User/Patrons, who are Members of the Church, with those MANY Thousands of "Reservations", in their NORMAL "Reservation" List, will ONLY get to 'see' (and, be able to, 'access') the FIRST x300, of them; and, NO more.
Hopefully, once they start to "Clear", some of the FIRST x300, on their "Reservation" List, they will begin to 'see' (and, be able to, access) the one's on page/screen x7 and beyond.
I am hoping, that they MAY, be able to get to 'see' (and, be able to, 'access') the one's on page/screen x7 and beyond, by the use and combination of, "Filters"; and, an individuals/persons "Name" - well, I am hoping so, anyway.
Like ALL "Change" ... MANY; Many; many, are NOT going to be happy ...
Whereas, conversely, some are going to be pleased/ecstatic ...
As we all know ... you cannot please all of the people, all of the time ...
Brett
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Here is the updated blog article:
And here is the blog article that contains the FAQs for the new limit:
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We have already been actively encouraging our family members to use results from our FamilySearch research. This policy will not increase their activity but it will discourage us from doing more research. Is that what you want? Each of us has earlier reservations that we are working on as well as persons shared with the temple whom we have pulled into our reservations - but they appear at different ends of the reservation list. The shared reservations have a 90 day window for the work to be done, How can I access them? This seems an awfully heavy handed way to get us to involve our families. D&C section 121:39-42 comes to mind. I don't see any persuasion, long-suffering, gentleness, or kindness in this, just compulsory means (v46). We built up a large reservation list because the temples had been closed for a year and our research had continued, and now you tell us that you are limiting our access to the results of that research for, what I see, as a speculative justification. Again, for us, this will mean effectively shutting down our research and causing, at least for me, resentment - and for no discernable benefit to us. Have you piloted this? By the way, how do you know that the "New Temple Reservation Policy Helps Youth and Individuals Enjoy More Temple Blessings"? Are the temples having trouble filling all of the ordinance hours? The Bountiful Temple certainly isn't. I just checked: the Bountiful Temple has virtually NO baptism slots open through the end of February! Please reconsider this!!!
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It sounds like ordinances that you've already reserved that are over the 300-row limit stay available (at least, I see no mention of them not being available):
"If your temple reservation list has more than 300 rows of reservations when the update is put in place, none of your family names will be automatically released. They will remain on your reservation list until they are completed or shared or until they reach their assigned expiration date." (https://www.familysearch.org/en/blog/temple-ordinance-reservation-lists-update)
Maybe that helps :)
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FYI
'Yes' ... they stay on your "List", at least until they "Expire".
Although, you may NOT be able to 'access' them, until they get 'whittled down', to appear on the x300 "Rows" (ie. Six (x6) pages/screens) on your "Reservations" List.
You MAY get 'Lucky'; and, be able to use the "Filters", in the "Reservations" List, to get 'access' to them.
[ Well, maybe ... ]
We can but live in hope ...
Brett
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Just curious, where did you find that info about only 300 being visible?
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FYI
Here are the answers to some "Frequently Asked Question", regarding the NEW x300 LIMIT of "Reservations" for "Temple" Work, in an Article in the 'FamilySearch' "Blog", that is 'Dated' Yesterday (15 November 2021):
'FamilySearch' "Blog"
Answers to Questions | Personal Temple Reservation Lists, New Limit
https://www.familysearch.org/en/blog/personal-temple-reservation-lists-faq
And ...
In particular ...
Quote:
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What happens if my reservation list is already over the limit?
If your list already has more than the allowed number of reservations when the new update is put in place, none of your family names will be automatically released. They will all remain on your list until their expiration date. When the reservation expires, the ordinances will be shared with the temple but will also be available in the Family Tree and through Ordinances Ready for relatives to find and reserve.
Family members and others going to the temple will then be able to help perform the ordinances. A family name that is shared with the temple can be unshared at any time, as long as your reservation list is below the limit and the ordinance has not been printed or completed. (Note: You will need to sign in to your FamilySearch account to view the link.)
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I hope that this helps/assists, somewhat.
Brett
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I feel your pain. I don't understand why such a low number was chosen for the limit. But is was.
After thinking about this situation for awhile, I decided to do a couple of things since it is unlikely that the limit will be changed anytime soon. Perhaps these things might help you. I already have about a1000 names in my reservation list, which is what I think I can reasonable do within the 2yr window, including the 90-day names I have there. I put extra names into the "Following" list where labels can be applied to them. Some of the labels identify which ancestor line they belong to. As my temple reservation list dwindles down, I will move names from the following list to the reservation list. Other relatives might find those ancestors while they sit in the Following List, but that's okay with me.
The other thing I did was create a Family Group Reservation List last night. I put a bunch of names from my following list into that list. I still have access to those names & can do the ordinance work. My family & cousins were already taking names I found to the temple anyway. So doing it this way will still work.
I also built up a large reservation list while the temples were closed, and a large Following List. I don't plan on being stopped in looking for and adding names, in one way or another. Even if I fill up my Following List because of the reservation limit, I will hand write out the names & ID# for each person I find. I will continue on.
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In an answer from Amy Archibald, she addressed the viewing question.
"... if your current list is more than 300 rows, you will still be able to see everyone on your list. Your view of them will not be limited."
If it were going to be different that this, how would familysearch decide which names we should work on? I think I, or us patrons, should make that decision. My temple work ebbs & flows through the ordinances.
I'd be interested to know what source says that we will only be able to access or see the first 300 rows if we have more than that in our reservation list, since Amy has said the opposite of this.
And what are the "first 300" anyway? Who would decide that?
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Based on the quote that Brett mentioned, I think that everything you have reserved will stay visible until they're done or expire 🙂
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FYI
I am NOT 100% certain, that one WILL be able to 'see' (and. "access'), those on one's "Reservations" List, OVER the x300 "Row" LIMIT.
Hopefully, we will.
ie.
IF, the x300 "Row" Limit, HAS been applied/implemented; THEN, 'Yes', we can.
Otherwise, only time will tell ...
But ...
That Said ..
The one thing, that appears to be for certain, is that we will NOT be able to "Reserve" ANY Additional NORMAL "Reservations", beyond the x300 LIMIT.
So, for those ALREADY Over, that x300 LIMIT; then, NO more, NORMAL "Reservations", until one's LIST, is UNDER the x300 Limit.
Except, of course, maybe, to "Share with the Temple System" - at least; well, hopefully.
Brett
ps: As an aside ...
And, why I am curious ...
Currently ...
In OUR "List", of "Reservations", that have been "Completed", that list CAN go BACK for a limit of x25 Months; but, there is a "Caveat", in that, there is a LIMIT, of a total, of ONLY x3000 "Rows"/"Lines", for that list; which, equates to a "Total" of Sixty (x60) pages/screens (ie. @ x50 "Rows"/"Lines" per page/screen).
So ...
That Said ...
Regardless, that OUR "List", of "Reservations", that have been "Completed", CAN go BACK for some x25 Months ...
One might NOT be able to 'see'/go back that far back (ie. x25 Months).
Because ...
IF, there are MORE than x3000 "Rows"/"Lines" of "Reservations", that have been "Completed", on OUR list; THEN, one will NOT be able to 'see', beyond that limit of x3000/Sixty (x60) pages/screens - even if, one's list actually DOES go back further.
A number of Users/Patrons, who are Members of the Church, has already experienced such; and, raised that as a matter of concern (ie. Problem/Issue); because, there is NO WAY to "Delete" ANY, "Reservations", that have been "Completed", that one NO LONGER needs to 'see' (ie. be made aware of; as, one have accounted for them).
Just food for thought ...
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@LAHS6 Thanks for your suggestions. Where do I find the "Following" list?
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I am having a problem getting my answer to you to post. (about the following list)
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Try https://www.familysearch.org/tree/contributions/changes
Select "family tree" and then "following" from the homepage to get there as well.
Hopefully that helps :)
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Another way to get to the Following list is near the top of a person's page, just above his or her name. You will see these words: Overview Tree Recents Find Following My contributions Click on the word "Following" there.
When you get to the Following list, Click on the word "options". Different filters & labels are available there. There are 10 created labels available plus 10 additional labels that you can customize. (I personally needed more than 10 custom labels, so I use the pre-made ones as code words for other things.)
To add deceased people to your Following list: Look for a small, clear star next to the word "Following" on a person's page. This can be found near the top of the page on the right hand side. It is between the words "View Tree" and "View My Relationship". Click on the word "Following". The person will then be added to your Following list. After clicking on the word "Following" you will see that the star darkens. That tells you the person is on your Following list.
Another way to add someone to your Following list: When you click on a person's name & a small information box appears, look for a small, clear star just below the person's name or at the bottom of the information box. Click on the star to add the person to your Following list.
Additional information: Immediately after adding someone to your Following list, a small message will appear at or near the bottom of your screen confirming the action was done. On the message will be the option to add a label. Adding a label then will save you much time later. Click on the words "Add Label". A new window will open for the Following list. Within a moment or so, the person's name & label options will appear. You can then add (or create & add) the label you want to apply to that person. You will need to wait a moment for this action to happen & then click the word "SAVE". btw, it is possible to add more than 1 label to a person in your list.
To remove someone from your list, the options are to either click on the word "unfollow", or click on the darkened star
Hope these instructions help you. :)
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Thanks for the much more thorough explanation :)
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Yet again an absolutely AWFUL idea, so many remedies have already been implemented to facilitate the motive behind this change, but this one is by FAR one of the worst ideas ever. Why continually discourage people from this work? Why continue to make it more and more ridiculous? Enough with these garbage changes
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Maybe it was totally obvious to the rest of you but for anyone for whom it was not obvious
this 300 limit only applies to those you have personally reserved under your "My Reservations" list
it DOES NOT include those you have reserved and shared with the temple. ("temple file")
The church is not trying to make things more difficult to do temple work.
what they are trying to avoid - are a few people that reserve THOUSANDS of names (that they have no way of getting done in a reasonable amount of time) - and thus preventing others from doing thework for those same names (especially if these other people could get them done much quicker)
Note there is no limit on the number of names you can reserve and share with the temple system. (temple file)
I have hundreds of ordinances getting done each month - via temple file.
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Dear Dennis,
Have you ever tracked how long it takes names to get through temple file?
Some male names I submitted took over 10 years! This is an issue that needs to be addressed!
For that reason, I do everything possible to get names done myself and through my extended family. After all I do the research to ensure my ancestors have the same opportunities as I do.
At the moment I have just over 400 reservations. If the temples had been open and unrestricted, I would not have this many.
I have no trouble with Family Search dealing with huge lists, especially in the thousands. However, some recognition of why many of us are in this fix would have helped. It is not because we are trying to hog names. In the long term, I will simply work with the 300 limit. I have a track record of completing temple work and sharing with extended family through Family Search and through card sharing.
The original blog was insensitive to the situation of the past almost 2 years and to the fact that many of us with lists are the ones who do the research to find names, encourage and help other family members to do research and reserve names for extended family members. I am sure the intent was not to be unkind, but it certainly came across that way.
We are all frustrated about not being able to get our temple work done. I have attended most months since our temple opened, travelling 2 1/2 hours sometimes to do 1 ordinance. Often waiting up to a month or two to attend a reserved session. Governments (especially outside the US) and individual temples also have their own policies in play. For me at least, sealings have become very difficult to do at all. Extended family members are reporting the same problem of being able to attend the temples. Now it is winter and reserving ahead will conflict at times with safety due to poor weather conditions. Result--more delay.
Some recognition of people's efforts to do temple work in this very difficult time would have gone a long way to help members to feel better about this limit.
I do like the creation the Family group. That will be most helpful.
Linda Davis
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Well COVID - has kind of skewed the numbers
But before COVID - in South Florida - it would take about 4-5 years to get all ordinances done
in the grand scheme of things what is important is they get done - 3 years or 10 years in the grand scheme of things is really not that important,
as long as the RATE at which my temple file names are getting done - is greater than the RATE that I can do on my own - (which in my case is actually MUCH greater - with temple file) - than I am more than happy to use temple file
All the organizing, printing, keeping track, sharing cards, urging family and friends to do the names that were shared with them - even to the point of threatening to take the names back from friends shared with - - --
after all that stress - - I am MORE than happy to to use temple file
and if it takes 10 years to get a few thousand names done - thats fine by me
again - its not the time temple file takes - rather its the RATE at which my temple file names are getting done
and in my case - they are getting done much faster than the rate that I could do them myself . It is true that it may take a few years to get the ball rolling - - but Im past those two years - and now the rate that they are getting done is much greater than I could do on my own.
So be careful how you judge temple file - - in the long run - in many cases - it is SO MUCH less stress and so much easier - and ultimately the RATE is greater than I can do on my own.
I am currently getting Temple file ordinances done at a rate of about 100 ordinances per month.
WAY higher than the rate that I could get them done on my own.
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. . . and I love seeing that my names are being done across a multitude of temples
so far temples on just about ever continent except Asia (& Antarctica)
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This is a pretty typical rate below
submitted in 2017
waited a little less than 2 years to kick in
then Baptism, Conformation and Initiatory get done pretty quickly
and then a year or 2 for Endowment and Sealings
In this case below the rate is skewed due to COVID -- where the temple work for a year and half was almost nothing,
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It should also be noted that there is nothing preventing a person from submitting to temple file - as MANY names as they want (no limit)
and THEN as they can and wish - convert those names from Temple file to Personal file - but only doing so like in the same month that you actually go to the temple -- and then just the names you will/can do.
(this way staying under the 300 limit)
THUS you have the BEST of BOTH WORLDS
doing personal names at the rate you want
but having a large number of temple file names that once they "kick in" will probably end up being done at a rate faster than you yourself can do them.
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