Order of temple ordinances
When I share ordinances with the temple that include I, E, and SS why is the SS ordinance being completed before the I and E? If we didn't share those and did them in person such would not be allowed.
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FYI
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ... ]
The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in the various 'iterations' for the 'FamilySearch' Forums.
In regards to "Sealing to Spouse" ...
And, also in regards to "Sealing to Parents" of Children, whose Parents, have not had their "Temple" Work either, done; and/or "Completed" ...
One does not really have to be too concerned ...
We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".
And, most importantly ...
"Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
Which states, among other things:
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Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Of course ...
Why are the temple ordinance dates out of order in Family Tree?
Where it states, among other things:
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- The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
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Plus ...
Most IMPORTANTLY ...
In one of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence
[ Note: The Words ... It is preferable ]
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And ...
In the other of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
It also states, among other things:
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The FamilySearch Family Tree website does not clear ordinances if prerequisite ordinances have not been cleared or performed.
[ And ]
- Sealing of a husband and wife and sealing of children to parents (if possible). Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents.
[ Note: The Words ... Whenever possible ]
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So, basically ...
Do not be too concerned ...
The choice is yours.
I know that this might not give you comfort and address your concerns; but, I hope that this gives you some more perspective.
Brett
ps:
As such, the "Temples", DO NOT, have; or, need, to "Check", whether or not, the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed"; before, allowing the undertaking of "Sealing to Spouse"; and, nor, do the "Temples", have; or, need, to "Check", whether or not, the "Temple" Work, for Parents, has been either, done; and/or "Completed", before, allowing the undertaking of "Sealing to Parents", of a Child; as, that "Ordinance" relates to the Child; and, NOT, the Parents.
The "Work" is hastening along ...
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Hello @alpaulsen1
I may be wrong, but I think that the situation you are describing is directly related to how the Ordinances Ready feature works.
If you have shared ordinances with the temple system, then those ordinances are available for other Church members or members of your family to request and take to the temple.
Specifically, the Ordinances Ready feature looks in the following places for ordinances immediately available. (For instance, a patron may have just walked out the door and is on the way to the temple and wants to take a name from his/her list of ancestors needing temple work.)
- Your family names list (or "temple list" or "reservation list"). These are family names that you have reserved in Family Tree. They are on your family names list.
- Your family names that you shared with the temple. These are names that you reserved in Family Tree and then shared with the temple. They are on your family names list. As long as a temple has not yet printed a shared name, the Ordinances Ready feature can unshare the name so you can print the card.
- Names of people who are related to you that have been shared with the temple by someone else. These names are in your tree and were reserved by someone else and then shared by that other person with the temple.
- "Green temples" from your tree. These are names that Ordinances Ready finds by scanning 10 generations of your ancestors and 5 generations of their descendants for incomplete ordinances. The ordinances have not yet been reserved by anyone. If you were to look in Family Tree, the name would have a green temple icon. Before giving you one of these ordinances, FamilySearch makes sure no possible duplicates exist for the record.
- Names not related to you that have been shared with the temple. If no ordinances are available from other sources, Ordinances Ready will retrieve available ordinances that have been submitted to the temple by any patron. These ordinances from temple inventory will be provided in the same order they were submitted to the temple. You can perform ordinances for these individuals to whom you may or may not have a direct relationship.
While performing ordinances in the proper sequence is preferred, the Ordinances Ready feature and temple system allow for out-of-sequence work. Also, keep in mind that the sealing to spouse family file card does not include any other information about the individuals and their prerequisite ordinances.
I'm "guessing" that the Orlando Temple did not print the card, but that a patron used the Ordinances Ready feature and picked up the sealing to spouse that you recently shared with the temple system.
I hope this further explanation is helpful.
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Hello!
Family Tree may show that a person's ordinances were done out of sequence for several reasons.
- The names came from an extracted record. For example, if the name was extracted from a marriage record, only the marriage information was available. At the time, only the sealing to spouse was performed. The remaining ordinances were done later. They may even still need to be done.
- The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
- The person's ordinances may have been done multiple times. Family Tree displays the earliest ordinance date for each ordinance. The earliest date may be on a duplicate record for that person. You can fix this problem by merging the duplicate records.
The correct sequence of ordinances is as follows:
- Baptism.
- Confirmation.
- Initiatory.
- Endowment.
- Sealing of a husband and wife and sealing of children to parents (if possible). Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents.
Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
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Thanks for sharing the above article. I am very family with this article. However, it doesn't really answer my question -- why was the SS performed today prior to the Initiatory and Endowment ordinances being completed for a family file card I shared with the temple system a week ago? If the temples enforce the proper order as reflected above (which I fully agree with), why wouldn't the system keep this type of out-of-sequence scenario from being possible?
That is a nicer way of saying -- why didn't the Orlando Florida Temple check the Initiatory and Endowment ordinances before they printed the SS in the first place?
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Thanks for this information.
Joan King
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