Why does 'perform next' filter for sealing to spouse show people who have not completed other ords?
Shouldn't the 'perform next' filter for sealing to spouse only show people who have completed BCIE already?
As can be seen here, the filter still shows people who are not ready for sealing to spouse.
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@JeffLuke,
Thank you for your question in the Community about the ordinance sequence. The Sealing to Spouse ordinance has been on a separate card, and can be printed at any time, but does not clear until the prerequisite ordinances have been completed (meaning you do not see the date of the ordinance listed on Family Tree).
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
Also with the new Ordinance Ready feature they can be reserved whenever they are needed. The articles links below may be helpful.
Hopefully this information answered your question.
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Thanks for the response.
I understand the ordinance CAN be done out of sequence, but as the article you shared says, BCIE SHOULD be completed first.
So I still don't understand why the 'perform next' filter is showing Sealing to Spouse when they are not ready.
I thought the purpose of 'perform next' was to filter only ordinances that are ready to be done in the proper sequence. It doesn't do that for SS.
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Hi Jeff,
Thank you for your response. We asked some supervisors. They also are unsure why it works that way. They think SS is printed on a separate card and the system "may" not check that the other Ordinances are complete.
Please go to Feedback at the bottom of FamilySearch to suggest a change in the way the system filters "Preform Next".
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Jeff
A you may know ...
▬ I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
.... [ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ]
This is an ongoing dilemma, for many Members of the Church.
The matter, has been canvased, on numerous occasions, in the various 'iterations' for the 'FamilySearch' Forums.
Further to what has already proffered ...
[ Including, already proffered "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch' ... ]
In regards to "Sealing to Spouse" ...
Really, the choice is yours, whether or not, to do the "Temple" Work of "Sealing to Spouse" that OrdinanceReady" provides.
Short Answer:
'Yes', you can proceed, with the "Temple" Work of "Sealing to Spouse" that OrdinanceReady" provides.
[ If you so desire; but, of course, you DO NOT have to, if you do not want to. ]
As an aside ...
One does not really have to be too concerned ...
We have been advised, that regardless if "Ordinances" are done 'Out of Sequence', not to worry; as, those "Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' simply DO NOT take effect, UNTIL the prerequisite "Ordinances" are "Completed".
And, most importantly ...
"Ordinances" that are done 'Out of Sequence' DO NOT have to be done again; as, they are STILL "Valid".
Here are some "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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Vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, but they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
Which states, among other things:
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Although vicarious ordinances performed out of sequence are valid, they become effective only after the prerequisite ordinances are completed.
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And ...
Of course ...
Why are the temple ordinance dates out of order in Family Tree?
Where it states, among other things:
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- The ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
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Plus ...
Most IMPORTANTLY ...
In one of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Ordinances performed out of order
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/ordinances-performed-out-of-order
Which states, among other things:
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It is preferable to have the ordinances done in sequence
[ Note: The Words ... It is preferable ]
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And ...
In the other of the aforementioned "Knowledge Article":
Correct order of temple ordinances
https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/correct-order-of-temple-ordinances
It also states, among other things:
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The FamilySearch Family Tree website does not clear ordinances if prerequisite ordinances have not been cleared or performed.
[ And ]
- Sealing of a husband and wife and sealing of children to parents (if possible). Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents.
[ Note: The Words ... Whenever possible ]
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So, basically ...
Do not be too concerned ...
'Yes', you can proceed, with the "Temple" Work of "Sealing to Spouse" that OrdinanceReady" provides.
[ If you so desire; but, of course, you DO NOT have to, if you do not want to. ]
The choice is yours.
And ...
In regards to "Sealing to Parents" ...
Remember, that the "Temple" Work, relates to the Child; and, NOT, the to Parents.
So ...
That Said ...
Regardless, of the status, of "Temple" Work of the Parents, the "Sealing to Parents" for a Child CAN be undertaken.
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I know that this might not give you comfort and address your concerns; but, I hope that this gives you some more perspective.
Brett
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I appreciate the concept behind "Perform Next"; however, it would be much more helpful if it could reflect readiness for sealings. Since more than one person is involved in sealings, it's more difficult to figure out whether prerequisite ordinances are done for them than for the next personal ordinance (BCIE).
In addition to "sealing to spouse" being listed before prerequisite ordinances for the individual spouses, "sealing to parents" does not reflect prerequisite ordinances for the parents--only for the child. Ideally, the parents should not only have their personal ordinances done first; they should also be sealed as a couple before children are sealed to them.
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I've read all this thread. I do not feel that the phrase "if possible" should be construed as meaning, "it really doesn't matter," as seems to be the implication. It is possible to check by hand on the status of ordinances for both members of a couple and for children. It just takes some time, but it is totally possible. Most of the time the result is that a sealing is not yet appropriate.
What is motivating a lot of the suggestions is the fact that the computer is certainly, a layman would think, of checking on the status of all parties involved before showing that a SS or an SP is next. Then the Perform Next filter would be doing what it advertizes.
Are we being lazy here? We would never do ordinances out of order for a living person. Well, our forebears are not not; they just live in a different world. I believe we understand that they are allowed to witness their proxy ordinances. Should we not respect them enough to do them in proper order. As for us, we will continue to dig out the facts and do the work in the proper order. So clever programming applied to the Perform Next function would be a big blessing.
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FYI
As you may know ...
I am just another 'lowly' User/Patron ...
[ And, I happen to be a Member of the Church ]
Just in passing ...
Your Question: Are we being lazy here?
Short Answer: 'No', not really ...
Unfortunately ...
In this day and age, it appears that many Users/Patrons, consider that "OrdinancesReady" is the way to go; as, "OrdinancesReady" is such, a quick; and, easy, process.
We never had, "OrdinancesReady" up until a few Years ago.
"OrdinancesReady", is simply helpful/useful for those, that are 'caught in a bind'; when, they have a "Temple" visit scheduled (or, are notified of one, scheduled by, a Ward/Branch/Stake/District); but, unfortunately, do not have any "Temple" Cards, for their Ancestors, 'on-hand', available.
In fact, more fully ...
"OrdinancesReady" is ONLY, a quick; and, easy, process of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, when one (or, OTHER Family members) is (are) going to visit the "Temple", that day or the next, when one (or, OTHER Family members) DOES NOT have ANY "Temple" Cards, 'on-hand', available.
And ...
"OrdinancesReady" is certainly NO substitute, for doing one's (or, OTHER Family members) due diligence, well IN ADVANCE of visiting the "Temple" of, FINDING; and, PRINTING, the "Temple" Cards, for one's (or, OTHER Family members) Ancestors, to have 'on-hand', available, through one's (or, OTHER Family members) "Reservations" List; and/or, normal research.
Just my thoughts.
Brett
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