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Joellen McAlister
Joellen McAlister ✭✭
April 23, 2023 in Social Groups

In searching for Hans Nielsen and Maren Hansdatter, there appears to be two couples with these names in Fejø, Fuglse, Maribo, Denmark that I'm trying to sort out! A daughter, Dorthe Chatarine Hansdatter, LH2B-MYT, was baptized 1 May 1808 and born 17 February 1808 in that place. What is the word before the name of Hans Nielsen Kuld? Is it a farm name? I need to know where she was born! It mentions his WIFE, Maren Hansdatter as the mother. Can you translate whatever comes after the mother's name that may be helpful? (image 217)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark%3A/61903/3%3A1%3A3QS7-894W-F9P9?i=216&cc=2078555
https://www.familysearch.org/ark%3A/61903/3%3A1%3A3QS7-894W-F9P9?i=216&cc=2078555

I think I found their marriage record three years later but the groom is no longer using the Kuld name. Hans Nielsen is of Blands and Maren Hansdatter is of (?). They were married in Stokkemarke where she was born. I need help reading the rest of the record. Maren Hansdatter (MNFB-11 is usually from Vesterby; see 1834 census attached to her) Do you think this is their marriage? There are a number of possible duplicates shown.

Marriage #6 in 1811: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994W-XQZN?i=232

Thank you for your help. This is very confusing!

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    May 2, 2023 Antwort ✓

    Hi Kristin.

    It was certainly possible to bring this line of the family pretty far back in time.

    If you have any question just ask them in this thread...

    Unfortunately the origins of Claus Olufsen "Nau" cannot be determined. Only real possibility would be a "Fæstebrev" [letter of renting land], where it is sometimes stated where the person is born.

    Sadly it doesn't seem these "Fæstebreve" are preserved for Skeby (around 1681) or Uggerslev (around 1693).

    Cheers

    Niels

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    May 3, 2023 Antwort ✓

    Hi Kristin.

    Happy to be able to help.

    Just write in this thread of you need any clarification.

    Cheers

    Niels

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    May 27, 2023 Antwort ✓

    Hi Joellen.


    You are thinking about the family information in the probate of Claus Nau ? - the essential information has already been transcribed:

    Probate after Claus Nau:

    Gift 2. gang med Catharina Thomesdatter, laugværge hendes bror Niels Thomasen, Norup [so his second wife had a brother Niels Thomasen in Norup]

    Børn:

    Thomas Clausen, 21 år

    Chresten Clausen, 17 år

    Anne Clausdatter

    Gift 1. gang med Anne Mortensdatter (name not mentioned in the probate itself)

    Børn:

    Hans Clausen, bor i Ørslev

    Johan Clausen, 25 år

    Dorthe Clausdatter, gift med Anders Christophersen, Østrup

    Mette Clausdatter, gift med rytter på Sjælland [married a cavalryman on Sjælland under Hr. Oberst Liøÿenhelms [= Løwenhelm?] Regiment]

    Rebetze Clausdatter, 26 år tjener svoger i Østrup [serves with a family member in Østrup]

    Margrethe Clausdatter, gift med Hans Sørensen, Østrup (nævnes som til stede)


    Uddrag ved Anne M

    Source: https://www.faesterogskifter.dk/InfoSpage.aspx?id=169096

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    May 27, 2023 Antwort ✓

    In 1710 Hans Brockenhuus-Løwenhielm became Oberst and leader of the 1st Sjællandske Rytter Regiment from 1710-1716 [and the probate of Claus Nau is from 1715].

    Source: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Brockenhuus-L%C3%B8wenhielm

    So the unnamed husband of Mette Clausdatter must have been a cavalryman in this regiment and survived fighting the battles of Helsingborg (1710) and Gadebusch (1712), where Oberst Brockenhuus-Løwenhielm and the regiment was fighting, since he is not mentioned as dead in the probate.

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  • Joellen McAlister
    Joellen McAlister ✭✭
    May 27, 2023 Antwort ✓

    Thank you! That was just what I needed!

    Joellen

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  • Joellen McAlister
    Joellen McAlister ✭✭
    May 31, 2023 bearbeitet May 31, 2023 Antwort ✓

    Niels,

    You wrote: Final proof that rytter Claus Nau is the father of Thomas Clausen (1694-1747) in Roerslev and he is the father of Claus Thomasen (1723-1800) in Roerslev!!

    #1

    Gyldensten Gods

    Skifteprotokol for Gyldensteen (1721-1763):

    Anno 1749 den 17. November.....Uggerslef Sogn og Bye....Knud Nielsens ved døden afgangne hustru salig Catharina Thomasdatter...

    Børn af forrige ægteskab [children of the former marriage - with Claus Nau]

    salig Thomas Clausen i Roerslef, hans efterlevende børn ere Claus Thomasen boende i Roerslef..

    Source (page 31, bottom right - page 32, left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17070359#139575,34355477

    So Catharina Thomadatter died in 1749, her son (with Claus Nau) Thomas Clausen died 1747 in Roerslev, but his son Claus Thomasen living in Roerslev can inherit. [This gives us total proof]


    It sounds like after Claus Nau died, his wife, Catharina Thomasdatter, married Knud Nielsen. Is that right?

    #2

    Uggerslev Sogn:

    Dend 3. Februar [1693] blef Claus Novs hustru i Ugersløf begrafvet, som vaar ?0 Aar gammel, 2 uger og 1 dag.

    Source (page 103. left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138663#181804,30866411

    NB: So this is the burial of the former wife of Claus "Nau". Hard to see what the age is.....

    It sounds like Claus Nau was married before Catharina Thomasdatter, but we don't know her name. Is that correct?

    Joellen

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    May 31, 2023 bearbeitet May 31, 2023 Antwort ✓

    Yes, she married Knud Nielsen!


    Uggerslev Sogn.

    ?Endnu? Pindsedag [9. June 1715] blef Knud Nielsen og Catrinæ Thomæsdatter (af Ugersløøf = Uggerslev) viede til sammen, som var Claus Nous enke.

    Source (page 248, right mid): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138663#181804,30866556


    The name of the first wife of Claus Nau is sadly no recorded in the church book and I can't discern what her age says: 40, 70 ?


    Catharina Thomasdatter has a probate in 17. November 1749. Here is an already made transcription.

    Gift 1. gang med Claus Nau

    Børn:

    Christen Clausen, Uggerslev

    Thomas Clausen (død), Roerslev:

    Claus Thomasen, Roerslev (værge for sine søskende) [guardian for his siblings]

    Hans Thomasen, 22 år

    Anders Thomasen, 20 år

    Kirsten Thomasdatter, 19 år

    Oluf Thomasen, 15 år

    en datter (død = Anne Clausdatter):

    Anna Olufsdatter 20 år, Gundstrup?

    Catharina Olufsdatter 13 år, Gundstrup

    Værge for disse piger: Christen Clausen og Claus Thomasen [Guardians for the girls]

    Gift 2. gang med Knud Nielsen (he dies in Uggerslev in 1763 without any living children)


    Uddrag ved Poul Erik Nikolajsen

    Source: https://www.faesterogskifter.dk/InfoSpage.aspx?id=154895

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 24, 2023

    ".. 1. Maj [1808] havde Gaardfolk i Westerbye, Hans Nielsen Kuld og hustru [= wife] Maren Hansdatter deres hiemmedøbte [= their home baptised] datter Dorthe Catharine [Hansdatter] til daaben..

    Source (page 209): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17114665#149352,24700292

    Vesterby is (at least today with 448 inhabitants) the largest village in Fejø Sogn: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fej%C3%B8_Sogn


    Since Hans Nielsen Kuld & Maren Hansdatter are already married in 1808, it can't be their marriage in 1811....


    Fejø Sogn kirkebog:

    "Onsdagen den 29de April [1807] blev ungkarl Hans Nielsen fra Høismarke i Lolland og Maren Hansdatter viede.

    Forlovere vare Niels Hansen fra Høismarke [probably his father] og Hans Jørgen Eriksen i Østerbye [probably her father].

    Source (page 205 left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17114665#149352,24700288


    Højsmarke is in Sandby Sogn on Lolland.


    Census 1787: Maribo, Lollands Nørre, Sandby Sogn, Høysmarke bye, , 2, FT-1787, B4200

    Niels Kuld  49  Gift  Hosbonde  Bonde og gård beboer    

    Dorthe Sørensdatter  41  Gift  Madmoder  Gård beboer    

    Grethe Nielsdatter  17  Ugift  Deres barn     

    Jørgen Nielsen  16  Ugift  Deres barn   

    Jens Nielsen  12  Ugift  Deres barn  

    Hans Nielsen  8  Ugift  Deres barn     

    Søren Nielsen  6  Ugift  Deres barn   

    Kirsten Nielsdatter  3  Ugift  Deres barn   

    Peder Nielsen  1  Ugift  Deres barn

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.


    Census 1801: Maribo, Lollands Nørre, Sandby Sogn , Hoysmarke, , 115, FT-1801, B5133

    Niels Kuld  63  Gift  Husbonde  Bonde og Gaardbeboer    

    Dorthe Sørensdatter  53  Gift  Hans Kone      

    Jørgen Nielsen  30  Ugift  Deres Barn    

    Jens Nielsen  25  Ugift  Deres Barn Nat: Soldat    

    Hans Nielsen  23  Ugift  Deres Barn   Nat: Soldat    

    Peder Nielsen  15  Ugift  Deres Barn     

    Kirsten Nielsen  17  Ugift  Deres Barn     

    Thomas Hansen  4  Ugift  en Datter Søn  

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 24, 2023 bearbeitet April 24, 2023

    If Hans Jørgen Erichsen is Maren Hansdatter's father. [He is the only one by that name on Lolland]


    Census 1787: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Stokkemarke Sogn, Kiellernæs Bye, , 16, FT-1787, B5696

    Hans Jørgen Eriksen  33  Gift  Hosbonde  Bonde og Gaardmand    

    Kirstine Christophersdatter  29  Gift  Kone      

    Maren Hansdatter  5  -  Barn af sidste Ægteskab      

    Magrethe Hansdatter  2  -  Barn af sidste Ægteskab      

    Anne Hansdatter  1  -  Barn af sidste Ægteskab      

    Christen Jørgensen  32  Ugift  Tienestekarl  National Soldat    

    Lars Madsen  32  Ugift  Tienestekarl      

    Maren Hansdatter  16  Ugift  Tienestepige      

    Else Karstensdatter  14  Ugift  Tienestepige  

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.


    Census 1801: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Kappel Sogn, Siunkebye, , 14, FT 1801, A3945

    Hans Jørgen Eriksen  47  gift  Mand  Selveier Møller uden Jord    

    Kirsten Christophers Datter  43  gift  hans Kone      

    Anne Hans Datter  14  ugift  Deres Barn      

    Christen Hansen  9  ugift  Deres Barn      

    Lars Madsen  16  ugift  Tienstedreng  halvblind  

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.

    NB: Maren Hansdatter no longer at home.


    This could very likely be her, but not possible to prove.

    Census 1801: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Stokkemarke Sogn, Kielderness Bye, , 5.Familie, FT-1801, B7706

    Jørgen Hansen  39  Gift  Husbonde  Bonde og Gaardbeboer    

    Margrethe Nielsdatter  26  Gift  hans Kone      

    Peder Knudsen  34  Ugift  Tienestekarl      

    Maren Hansdatter  19  -  Tienestepige      

    Hans Hansen  15  -  Tienestekarl  

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.


    NB: The book "Træk af Livet på Fejø" af Niels Stenfeldt should give the information that Hans Jørgen Erichsen moved to Fejø in early 1803 [likely taking Maren Hansdatter with him]. When his wife died in 1812 he remarried and moved to Nakskov. He owned a farm at matrikel [cadastre] number 22c in Østerby on Fejø.

    [His wife should have been from Landet Sogn and a widow, but without any papers [Skudsmålsbog] and they had arrived on Fejø unmarried with her being pregnant and he admitting to being the father, but now they wanted to be married in Fejø. It upset the priest, so he wrote to the bishop; but the result was that they got married.]

    Source: http://www.niwich.dk/fejoe_web/an_63.html

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 24, 2023

    Hans Jørgen Erichsen married the widow Karen Jørgensdatter in 24. August 1815 in Fejø Sogn.

    Source: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G94W-FSP1?i=104&cc=2078555&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQG87-9RBX

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 24, 2023

    Død: 7. December 1818 i Fejø Sogn.

    Navn: Hans [Nielsen] Kuld.

    Gaardmand i Vesterbye.

    Alder: 33 Aar.

    Source (page 8): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21943671#435400,79117304


    Viet: 5. Marts 1819 i Fejø Sogn.

    Enkemand Rasmus Rasmussen & Enke efter Hans Kuld: Maren Hansdatter.

    Source (page 9, bottom): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21943671#435397,79117244


    Retsbetjente amt, Maribo, Nakskov, Skifteprotokol, 1820-1832:

    Skifte [= Probate] efter Hans Jørgen Erichsen i Nakskov 19. Oktober 1831.

    Datter Maren [Hansdatter] givt med indsidder Rasmus [Rasmussen] ?Colding? mand i Vesterbye paa Feyøe.

    Source (page 580): http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=133004&side=580


    Død: 2. September 1833 i Fejø Sogn.

    Navn: Rasmus Rasmussen.

    Aftægtsmand i Vesterbye.

    Alder: 63 Aar. Født i Lolland.

    Source (page 6, top): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21943671#435402,79117335


    Census 1834: Maribo, Fuglse, Fejø Sogn, Vesterbye paa Fejøe,, en Gaard, 104, FT-1834, A4061

    Søren Olsen  39  Gift    Gaardmand    

    Kirsten Johansdatter  37  Gift    hans Kone    

    Anne Olesdatter  8  Ugift    deres Datter    

    Maren Hansdatter  50  Enke    Lever af aftægt, Gaardmandsenke    

    Rasmus Rasmussen  15  Ugift    hendes Barn    

    Karen Kirstin Rasmusdatters  14  Ugift    hendes Barn    

    Anne Magrete Rasmusdatter  19  Ugift    har her Logi, Dagleierske    

    Ole Rasmussen Sørensen  1  Ugift    hendes Søn  

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.


    Død: 7. Februar 1839 i Fejø Sogn.

    Navn: Maren Hansdatter.

    Enke efter afdøde gaardmand Rasmus Rasmussen Kolling i Vesterbye.

    Alder: 55 Aar.

    Født i Kieldernæs i Lolland.

    Source (page 2, top): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21943671#435422,79117732

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 24, 2023 bearbeitet April 24, 2023

    Lægdsrulle 1801. Halsted Amt. Lægd 25 = Sandby Sogn.

    Father: Niels Kulse.

    Sons: [Fits the Census 1787 for Niels Kuld]

    Jens.

    Jørgen.

    Hans. Born Høysmarke. 22 years old. Height: 62 3/4 Danish "tommer". Session 1800: P.F.R 1/81. [Old number 85, new number 65]

    Søren

    Peder

    Source (page 225, left top): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17302,744812

    NB: So he enters "Prins Frederiks Regiment" in 1800 - probably 1. compagnie, nr. 81.


    About the Regiment:

    Ebersteins Regiment 1657-1665

    Bremers Regiment 1665-1672 Måske kun til 1670.

    Max Rosenkrants Regiment 1672-1676

    Prins Christians Regiment (til Fods) 1676-1695

    Prins Carls Regiment 1695-1730

    Schacks Regiment 1730-1734

    Dombroicks Regiment 1734-1735

    Lollandske Geworbne Infanteri Regiment 1735-1753

    Lollandske (Infanteri)regiment 1735-1753

    Prins Frederiks (Infanteri)regiment 1753-1806

    Prins Frederiks geworbne Infanteri Regiment 1753-1806

    Prins Christian Frederiks Regiment (til Fods) 1806-1839

    Kongens Regiment (til Fods) 1839-1842

    6. Linie Infanteribataillon 1842-1860

    6. Infanteribataillon 1860-1863

    6. Infanteriregiment 1863-1865

    6. Infanteribataillon 1865-1867

    6. Bataillon 1867-1951 [what it has to be searched under today in the archives]

    Source: https://www.wadschier.dk/haeren-garnisoner-regimentschefer/haer/prins-frederiks-infanteriregiment/367

    NB: He seems to have been in the conscripted part of the regiment.

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 24, 2023

    Prinsens Livregiment (3. Regiment), 6. Bataljon: G. Stambøger (1790 - 1933):

    1. Musketerkompagni Frimænd 1803 - 1. Musketerkompagni Frimænd 1816.

    Nr. 149: Musqueteer Hans Nilsen, Høysmark.

    Source: (Page 79, left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=22714428#476022,85154699

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  • Joellen McAlister
    Joellen McAlister ✭✭
    April 24, 2023 bearbeitet April 25, 2023

    Nils, you have gone to so much work! Wow! I'm helping my friend. We know her direct ancestors are Anne Hansdatter

    Female1787–1842 •MNF1-MMP

    Who married Claus Thamasen

    Male1781–Deceased •27XC-YVH

    Marriage

    27 February 1813Stokkemarke, Maribo, Storstrøm, Denmark


    The ancestor we are researching is Anne Hansdatter’s sister:   Maren Hansen

    Female1782–1839 •MNFB-11X

     

    1787 Census:

    Hans Jørgen Eriksen Gender Male Age 33 County Maribo Hundred Lollands Sønder Parish Stokkemarke Placename Kiellernæs Bye (his)2nd Marriage 460 Kirstine Christophersdatter Female 29 1758 Married Kone – (her) 1st marriage

     461 Maren Hansdatter Female 5 1782 Single Barn af sidste Ægteskab (child of last marriage)

    462 Magrethe Hansdatter Female 2 1785 Single Barn af sidste Ægteskab (child of last marriage)

     463 Anne Hansdatter Female 1 1786 Single Barn af sidste Ægteskab (child of last marriage)

    We want to be sure we are attaching the right Hans Nielsen as the husband of Maren Hansdatter. Here is the marriage we found: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994W-XQZN which is 1811 in Stokkemarke! The groom was residing on the farm of Blands. Is this Hans Nielsen also known as Hans Nielsen Kuld, and did they move to Fejo or stay in Stokkemarke? There are other Hans Nielsens married to Maren Hansdatters! If I know this one is known as Kuld (Buried 7 Dec. 1818, the Gaardmand in Vesterby, Hans Kuld, age 33 years. https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/sogn723/churchbook/source141042/opslag15611231), then I can be sure of the following: Entry #1 in 1819

    Widower Rasmus Rasmussen married the widow of Hans Kuld, Maren Hansdatter of Vesterby (farm name) on 5 March 1819 in Fejö Parish. https://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=24700430

    Can you confirm the Maren Hansdatter born 1782 in Stokkemarke married Hans Nielsen Kuld or was it another Hans Nielsen?

    Many, many thanks and blessings to you for all of your work on this!

    Just so you know, I only speak English but use google translate to help me with the Danish!


    Joellen

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  • Joellen McAlister
    Joellen McAlister ✭✭
    April 25, 2023

    The probate of Maren Hansdatter's father is a huge find! I never would have found that!

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 25, 2023 bearbeitet April 25, 2023

    Hi Joellen.

    Fejø Sogn kirkebog:

    "Onsdagen den 29de April [1807] blev ungkarl Hans Nielsen fra Høismarke i Lolland og Maren Hansdatter viede.

    Forlovere vare Niels Hansen fra Høismarke [father of Hans Nielsen] og Hans Jørgen Eriksen i Østerbye [father of Maren Hansdatter].

    Source (page 205 left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17114665#149352,24700288

    As the marriage of Hans Nielsen [Kuld] and Maren Hansdatter lists the grooms/best men as Niels Hansen of Højsmarke [Niels Hansen Kuld] & Hans Jørgen Erichsen of Østerby it must be the correct marriage (of the Maren Hansdatter born in Stokkemarke, where Hans Jørgen Erichsen still was located in the census of 1787).

    Later in 1819 Maren Hansdatter marries Rasmus Rasmussen Colding/Kolling [must be named after the town Kolding] with certainty; as she is stated to be the widow of "Hans Kuld".

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    Marriage in Stokkemarke Sogn 24/27. Februar 1813 [if that it was it says on the extreme right].

    ungkarl Claus Thomsen & pigen Ane Hansdatter.

    Source (page 110, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118784#156856,26297760


    Retsbetjente amt, Maribo, Nakskov, Skifteprotokol, 1820-1832:

    Skifte [= Probate] efter Hans Jørgen Erichsen i Nakskov 19. Oktober 1831.

    Datter Ane [Hansdatter] givt med ?.....? Claus Thomsen i Stokke..? [must mean Stokkemarke].

    Source (page 580): http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=133004&side=580

    So the probate proves Ane married a Claus Thomsen! [Thomsen/Thomesen/Thommesen are variant spellings].

    The probate is very hard to read, but that crucial info I can discern, when I know what to look for.


    Census 1834: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Stokkemarke Sogn, Stokkemarke Bye, Huus, , 40, FT-1834, B7419

    Claus Thomesen  53  Gift    Huusmand    

    Anne Hansdatter  45  Gift    hans Kone    

    Karen Marie Andersen  10  Ugift    deres Pleiedatter [foster daughter]

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.


    Census 1840: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Stokkemarke, Stokkemarke Bye, Huus, , , FT-1840, B2485

    Claus Thomesen  59  Gift    lever af sin Huuslod og Dagleie    

    Anne Hansdatter  51  Gift    hans Kone    

    Anne Rasmusdatter  4  Ugift    deres Pleiebarn  [foster child]

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.

    NB: You earned some money from the state by taking in foster children and providing for them for a couple of months/years. Sometimes family members (often grandparents) took in relatives as foster children, if their parents had financial difficulties (or went to jail). 


    Død: 20. August 1842 i Stokkemarke Sogn.

    Navne: Claus Thommesen [the line over the m signals a double -mm-]

    Husmand i Stokkemarke.

    Alder: 62 Aar.

    Source (page 8, nr 13): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21943633#434747,79097382


    Død: 25. August 1842 i Stokkemarke Sogn.

    Navn: Ane Hansdatter.

    Afdød husmand Claus Thomsens kone i Stokkemarke.

    Alder: 58 Aar.

    Source (page 7, bottom): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21943633#434750,79097455

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    Census 1787: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Tillitse Sogn, Stødbye, , 2, FT-1787, A3543

    Anders Lassen  47  gift  Husbond  Bonde og Gaard Beboer    

    Birthe Knuds Datter  67  gift  Madmoder      

    Hans Jensen  27  ugift  Tienstefolk      

    Karen Niels Datter  18  ugift  Tienstefolk      

    Kiersten Thomas Datter  14  ugift  Tienstefolk      

    Claus Thomasen  6  ugift  et Pleie Barn af Sognet [= a foster child of the parish]

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.

    NB: I can't find him born in Tillitze not Stokkemarke, but since he is a foster child of the parish, it is very likely that his mother was from Tillitze Sogn even if he wasn't born there.


    Grevskabet Knuthenborgs gårde og huse - Stokkemarke sogn.

    Brandmosevej 29. Matr. 66a Stokkemarke.

    1815: HF = Husfæster [so he rented the place from Count Knuth]

    Claus Thomsen 1781-1842

    hustru Ane Hansdatter 1790-1842

    børn: Hans 1813, Thomas 1815-1824, Rasmus 1818, Kirstine 1825†

    Source (original page 95): http://hensch.dk/pdf/Stokkemarke%20sogn.pdf


    Cheers

    Niels

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    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 25, 2023

    Grevskabet Knuthenborgs gårde og huse - Stokkemarke sogn.

    Brandmosevej 29. Matr. 66a Stokkemarke

    1842: HF = Husfæster

    søn [son of Claus Thomsen] Rasmus Clausen 1818-

    hustru Lisbeth Hansdatter 1819-

    Source (original page 95): http://hensch.dk/pdf/Stokkemarke%20sogn.pdf

    NB: So Rasmus Clausen took over the "Fæste" from his father.


    Knuthenborg fæsteprotokol is sadly not online. [could give us information of Claus Thomsens place of birth]


    There doesn't seem to be any probate after Claus Thomsen nor Ane Hansdatter, so Rasmus Clausen probably just took over the "husmandssted".


    Census 1845: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Stokkemarke Sogn, Brændsemosen, et Huus, , 92, FT-1845, B8414

    Rasmus Clausen  27  Gift    Dagleier  Stokkemarke  [son af Claus Thomsen]

    Lisbeth Hansdatter  26  Gift    hans Kone  Stokkemarke  

    Rasmus Hansen  25  Gift    Inderste og Dagleier  Stokkemarke  

    Maren Hansdatter  25  Gift    hans Kone  Stokkemarke  

    Maren Rasmusdatter  1  Ugift    Datter  Stokkemarke 

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.


    Here below in 1860 he has stopped renting the "husmandssted" from Count Knuth and has now bought his own house in Tjennemarke (as he is registred as "parcelist"):


    Census 1860: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Stokkemarke Sogn, Abed Skoledistrikt, Tjennemarke By, Et Hus, 355, FT-1860, D6115

    Rasmus Clausen  42  Gift  Husfader. Parcellist. Huggemand. Stokkemarke Sogn, Maribo Amt  

    Lisbeth Hansdatter  42  Gift  Hans Kone    Stokkemarke Sogn, Maribo Amt  

    Claus Rasmussen  12  Ugift  Deres Barn    Stokkemarke Sogn, Maribo Amt  

    Rasmus Rasmussen  9  Ugift  Deres Barn    Stokkemarke Sogn, Maribo Amt  

    Ane Margrethe Rasmussen  1  Ugift  Deres Barn    Stokkemarke Sogn, Maribo Amt  

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.

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    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 25, 2023

    Claus Thomsen candidate 1:


    Dannemare Sogn.

    Dåb [Baptism]

    Samme dag [11. Juni 1780] Thomas Clausens søn Claus [Thomsen]..

    Source (page 62, left column mid): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17114413#148908,24612667


    Possible it is this child born in Egebølle.......[proved to be the wrong Thomas Clausen in the end]


    Lægdsrulle 1791. Halsted Amt. Lægd 25 = Tillitze Sogn.

    Father: Thomas Clausen.

    Number 5: Claus [Thomsen]

    Age 10.

    Born: Egbøl [That could be Egebølle in Dannemare Sogn]

    Source (page 157): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=17267#17267,737894


    Lægdsrulle 1796. Halsted Amt. Lægd 25 = Tillitze Sogn.

    Born: Egebølle [so here the location is secure]

    Current Residence: Egebølle.

    Source (page 177, bottom left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17291,741871


    Lægdsrulle 1801: Halsted Amt. Lægd 25 = Tillitze Sogn.

    New number 1:

    Rytter 1802.

    ?..? Møen 4-88 C.R. [?Canceliets Resolution?] 11. Juli 1802. [probably sendt to Møn on that date]

    Source (page 190, left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17302,744777

    Lægdsrulle 1805: Maribo Amt. Lægd 88 = Tillitze Sogn.

    Rytter ?..? 1802.

    for Møens 4-88

    Source (page 308, left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17315,748843


    Lægdsrulle 1808: Maribo Amt. Lægd 88 = Tillitze Sogn.

    Age 26 years.

    Height 67 1/2 danish tommer [ca. 177 cm, quite tall for this age]

    S. 1811 P.C.F.R 3/2 [Session 1811 Prince Christian Frederiks Regiment 3/2] [later 6. Batailion]

    Source (page 289): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17326,751844


    Lægdsrulle 1811: Maribo Amt. Lægd 88 = Tillitze Sogn.

    Underbefalingsmand.

    Gaardmand ved ?...?

    Fæste 29. November 1810.

    Source (page 294, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17419,777467


    Lægdsrulle 1814: Maribo Amt. Lægd 88 = Tillitze Sogn.

    NB: There is no moving to Stokkemarke; so this IS THE WRONG CLAUS THOMSEN...

    Source (page 310, left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17349,757049

    --------------------

    Claus Thomsen candidate 2: [the only two Claus Thomsen I can find in the census of 1787]


    Census 1787: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Stokkemarke Sogn, ??, , 2, FT-1787, B5696

    Thomas Klausen  35  Gift  Mand  Indsidder og Dagleyer    

    Bodil Hansdatter  30  Gift  Kone      

    Kirsten Thomasdatter  7  -  Deres Barn      

    Klaus Thomasen  5  -  Deres Barn      

    Hans Thomasen  2  -  Deres Barn  

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.

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    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 25, 2023 bearbeitet April 25, 2023

    The second Candidate from Stokkemarke Sogn in census 1787:


    Lægdsrulle 1791. Halsted Amt. Lægd 9 = Stokkemarke Sogn.

    Fader: Thomas Clausen.

    Nr: 250: Claus [Thomsen].

    Fødested: Grimstrup [Grimstrup is in Hunseby Sogn!]

    Alder: 9 Aar.

    Opholdssted: Gammeltofte.

    (Nr. 251: Hans. (a younger brother). Born: ?Mæreskou?. Alder 5 aar.) [Perhaps Merretskov/Merritzskov in Bandholm Sogn, back then Østofte Sogn]

    Source (page 84, left bottom): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=17267#17267,737821

    NB: The census 1787 also recorded a younger brother named Hans!


    Hunseby Sogn:

    Dåb af Claus [Thomsen]

    Dominica Septuagesima [21. Januar 1782] Thomas Clausens søn i Grimstrup.

    Source (page 41, left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17116149#151808,25246522


    Lægdsrulle 1792:

    New number 200.

    Source (page 66): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=17276#17276,739238


    Lægdsrulle 1796:

    New Number 142.

    Source (page 87): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17291,741781


    Lægdsrulle 1801:

    New Number 107.

    Alder 20 Aar.

    Højde: 64 tommer.

    UTS = Uegnet til Soldat [Not fit to be a soldier]. Svullen venstre ?tisticul? [Swollen left testicle] Session 1803.

    Source (page 93): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17302,744680


    Lægdsrulle 1805: Maribo Amt. Lægd 77 = Stokkemarke Sogn.

    Fader: Thomas Clausen.

    Navn: Claus [Thomsen].

    Fødested: Grimstrup. [Hunseby Sogn]

    Alder: 22 Aar.

    Højde: 65 tommer.

    Opholdssted: Stokkemark.

    Svullen Testikel. UTS.

    Session 1808. Har brok [have a hernia].

    [He is likely deleted from the rolls because of medical reasons]

    Source (page 200): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17315,748735

    NB: We can't follow him until his marriage in 1813....

    His younger brother Hans is listed as born in "Merritzskov" [Bandholm Sogn, back then Østofte Sogn].


    Østofte Sogn:

    Dåb:

    Dominica 2. post Trinitatis [25. Juni 1786] Thomas Clausen fra Meritzskows ?teglbrænnerhuus? [Brickburner-house] en Søn til Daabens Confirmation, forhen hiemmedøbt kaldet Hans [Thomsen/Thomasen]

    Source (112, nr 21): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17120103#159413,26806603


    This seems so far to be the Claus Thomsen, that married Ane Hansdatter in 1813 in Stokkemarke Sogn.

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    Joellen McAlister ✭✭
    April 26, 2023

    Thank you! Thank you! What more can I say when you have gone to so much work? I'm anxious to review your findings on Claus Thomasen, husband of Anne Hansdatter! If you can only find two with that name in Maribo and have ruled out one, that is awesome!

    I can't say enough about how helpful the probates are. We wouldn't have found them without you!

    Thanks so much, Nils!

    Joellen

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 26, 2023 bearbeitet April 26, 2023

    Hi Joellen.

    Thomas Clausen [father of Claus Thomesen] is not to found in the census of 1801.....so either he moved away from Stokkemarke OR died between 1787-1801; but there is no Thomas Clausen dying in Stokkemarke in this time period, but there is the following person....


    Begravet: 22. Februar 1795 in Stokkemarke Sogn.

    Navn: Thomas Fynboe i Tammetofte. [So a Thomas from Funen living in Tammetofte]

    Alder: 50 Aar.

    Source (page 259, left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118784#156855,26297556


    On Funen [specifically Nørre Næraa Sogn] there is actually a Thomas Clausen marrying a Bodil Hansdatter in 1778 and no such couple appear in the census 1787 in Nørre Næraa....


    Viet: 28. December 1778 in Nørre Næraa Sogn.

    Thomas Clausen og Bodild Hansdatter copulerede.

    Source (page 37, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138087#180395,30600460


    So far from any proof, but a working hypothesis, that this couple moved to Lolland.

    -------------------

    The daughter of Thomas Clausen & Bodil Hansdatter (appearing in the census of 1787) must be this one in census 1801.


    Census 1801: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Stokkemarke Sogn, Bøllesminde Parcell, , 1.Familie, FT-1801, B7706

    Jacob Bølle  47  Gift  Husbonde  Forpagter    

    Kirstine Jensen  52  Gift  hans Kone      

    Jørgen Jacobsen  4  Ugift  Pleyebarn      

    Niels Michelsen  29  -  Tienestekarl      

    Catrine Jensdatter  24  -  Tienestepige      

    Kirsten Thomasdatter  22  -  Tienestepige  [= Servant girl]

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.


    Census 1787: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Stokkemarke Sogn, ??, , 2, FT-1787, B5696

    Thomas Klausen 35 Gift Mand Indsidder og Dagleyer    

    Bodil Hansdatter 30 Gift Kone    

    Kirsten Thomasdatter 7 - Deres Barn    

    Klaus Thomasen 5 - Deres Barn     

    Hans Thomasen 2 - Deres Barn  

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.


    Actually there is a Kirsten baptised in 1779 in Nørre Næraa with father Thomas Clausen!!

    It totally fits with her being 22 years old in the census 1801!


    Nørre Næraa Sogn:

    Dia Jubil[ate] [= 25. April 1779] Thomas Clausens barn i Røeslef [= Roerslev]... N[omen] Kirsten [Thomasdatter].

    Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/kbid188626


    So it really does look like Thomas Clausen and Bodil Hansdatter was from Funen [Danish: Fyn].

    Roerslev is in Nørre Næraa Sogn, Skam Herred, Odense Amt.

    This was one very lucky find!! [only possible because his name is fairly uncommon]


    Cheers

    Niels

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    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 27, 2023

    Nørre Næraa Sogn:

    Døbt:

    Dominica Rogate [19. Maj 1748] Claus Thomassens søn af Roeslef [= Roerslev] N[omen] Thomas [Clausen], døbt.

    Source (page 121, right mid): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138087#516791,30595848


    Gyldensten Gods.

    Skifteprotokol [Probate-protocol] for Gyldensteen (1772-1789).

    Anno 1782 den 5. November....bonde gaard i Roarsløw Bye [= Roerslev by]...fæsteren Claus Thomsen, hvis hustru navnlig Karen Lars Datter for 30de Døgn siden ved Døden er afgaaet..

    Een Søn navnlig Thomas Clausen, 34 Aar gammel, som ?........? grevskabet Knuthenborg i Lolland....

    Source (page 131, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17070359#139578,34356275

    NB: So Karen Larsdatter - the wife of "fæstegårdmand" Claus Thomsen - died 30 days before this probate.

    Their son Thomas Clausen - 34 years old - is located on Lolland within the Count of Knuthenborg's lands.

    [This is proof as he is in Stokkemarke in 1782, where Claus Thomesen is born the same year]


    Here is the work of other genealogists:

    Claus Thomasen (FT87: Roerslev 2.)

    gårdmand, Roerslev

    døbt: 6 jan 1723

    begravet: 14 jun. 1800, 77 år

    gift med

    Karen Larsdatter [1st Wife]

    begravet 11 okt. 1782, 57 år

    gift med

    Maren Nielsdatter [2nd Wife]

    født ca. 1752

    Children:

    a. Thomas Clausen, døbt 19 maj 1748, 1782 bosiddende på Lolland [the genealogist knew of the probate-info, but nothing more of his wife]

    etc....many other children

    Source (original page 51, tabel 31): https://slaegtsbibliotek.dk/807043.pdf


    Gyldensten Gods

    Fæsteprotokol for Gyldensten (Enggård) (1719-1801)

    Fæstebrev fra Johan Henric, Greve af Gyldensteen d. 12. Januar 1748....til Claus Thomasen, barnfød i Roerslef udi Næraae Sogn....som hans fader Thomas Clausen....

    Source (page 92, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=20803069#326703,65807753

    NB: Så Claus Thomasen takes over the "Fæste" from his father Thomas Clausen, under the lands of the Count of Gyldensten.


    A genealogist again:

    Thomas Clausen

    gårdmand, Roerslev

    begravet 20 dec 1747, 55 År.

    trolovet 12 jul, gift 15 nov 1722 med

    Magdalene Hansdatter (af Bredstrup)

    a. Claus Thomasen, døbt 6 jan 1723

    etc more children.

    Source (original page 82, tabel 155): http://www.wadschier.dk/afskrifter/noerre_naeraa_sogns_befolkning_til_1787.pdf


    Nørre Næraa Sogn:

    Døbt:

    Festum Epiphania [6. Januar 1723] Thomas Clausens barn er Roerslef N[omen] Claus [Thomasen] døbt.

    Source (page 77, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138087#516791,30595804

    &

    Begravelse:

    Den 14. Junii [1800] Claus Thomasen af Roerslef begraven, gammel 77 Aar.

    Source (page 72, left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138087#180395,30600495


    That this Claus Nau is the father of Thomas Clausen - later fæster in Roerslev - is not absolutely proven yet:

    Uggerslev Sogn.

    Døbt:

    Die Annuntiatio Mariæ [25. Marts 1694] blefv Clauss Nous Rytters barn i Uggerslev ?krisnet?, som vaar fød den 23. Martii kaldet Thomas [Clausen].

    Source (page 112, left bottom): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138663#181804,30866420

    So Claus Nou is a Rytter [= cavalryman] in Uggerslev.


    Første Fynske nationale Rytterregiment.

    1. regiments skifteprotokol (1710-1718): [Military Probate]

    Anno 1715 den 28 Marts.....General-Major Chrestian Juels Cuirasser Regiment udlagde Ryttergaard udi Uggerslef.....

    ..afgangne Claus Nau..

    ..efterladte hustru Catharina Thomesdatter..

    Sønner:

    Thomas Clausen, 21 Aar.

    Source (page 210, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17070972#282541,55011361

    So he was a cuirassier in the "1st. Funen national Cavalry Regiment" under Generalmajor Juel.

    Cuirassiers were heavy cavalry with armoured breastplates [the shock troops on the battle field up and including the Napoleonic wars]



    Conclusion:

    Claus Nogs/Nau/Nov/Snou/Schnar [enormous spelling variations] (died 1715) & Catharina Thomesdatter

    Thomas Clausen (1694 -1747) & Magdalene Hansdatter.

    Claus Thomasen (1723-1800) & Karen Larsdatter (-1782)

    Thomas Clausen (1748-1795) & Bodil Hansdatter.

    Claus Thomsen/Thomesen (1782-1842) & Ane Hansdatter (1790-1842).


    Now that is pretty good, don't you think.


    Cheers

    Niels

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 27, 2023

    Final proof that rytter Claus Nau is the father of Thomas Clausen (1694-1747) in Roerslev and he is the father of Claus Thomasen (1723-1800) in Roerslev!!


    Gyldensten Gods

    Skifteprotokol for Gyldensteen (1721-1763):

    Anno 1749 den 17. November.....Uggerslef Sogn og Bye....Knud Nielsens ved døden afgangne hustru salig Catharina Thomasdatter...

    Børn af forrige ægteskab [children of the former marriage - with Claus Nau]

    salig Thomas Clausen i Roerslef, hans efterlevende børn ere Claus Thomasen boende i Roerslef..

    Source (page 31, bottom right - page 32, left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17070359#139575,34355477

    So Catharina Thomadatter died in 1749, her son (with Claus Nau) Thomas Clausen died 1747 in Roerslev, but his son Claus Thomasen living in Roerslev can inherit. [This gives us total proof]

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    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 28, 2023 bearbeitet April 28, 2023

    Uggerslev Sogn:

    Dend 3. Februar [1693] blef Claus Novs hustru i Ugersløf begrafvet, som vaar ?0 Aar gammel, 2 uger og 1 dag.

    Source (page 103. left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138663#181804,30866411

    NB: So this is the burial of the former wife of Claus "Nau". Hard to see what the age is.....


    Viet: 6. Oktober 1681 i Skeby Sogn.

    Claus Schnap Rytter og Anne Mortensdatter af ?Ørritslev? [Ørritslev is in Skeby Sogn]

    Source (page 55, bottom right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138663#181804,30866411

    NB: They will get 6 children in Skeby Sogn, with him under the name of Claus Nog, Claus Noy or Claus Rytter (last one in 1691). "Schnap" is most likely an army name (modern Danish "snap" meaning "fast/quick").

    These children are (almost) the same names as occurs as inheritors of the former wife (unnamed in the probate) of Claus "Nau" in the probate of 1715....

    So it is between 1691-1693 where they move to Uggerslev, where Anne Mortensdatter died in 1693 and he remarries with Catharina Thomasdatter (Thomas Clausen born 1694 in Uggerslev is their first child).

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    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 28, 2023

    Uggerslev Sogn.

    Den 12. Martii [1715] blef Claus Olufsøn Snou i Ugersløf begrafvet i sit alders 63. Aar.

    Source (page 247, right mid): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138663#181804,30866555

    NB: The "Claus-of-many-nicknames" had the patronym Olufsen. [could Snou be the modern meaning of "snu" = cunning?

    So born around 1652 (but ages at burials can be very unreliable in this time period).

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    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 28, 2023 bearbeitet April 28, 2023

    Første Fynske nationale Rytter Regiment.

    1ste Regiments Inkvisitionsprotokol 1702-1717.

    Ottense Ambt Inquisitions-Protocol over Velborne Hr. Brigadier, Baron, Obrister Schach Brochtorffs fynsche National Regimentz Ryttergods.....

    Ugersløf Sogn og Bye.

    Major gref Holchis [Grev Holch] Compagnie.

    Olluf Hanssen, ?tilforn? Jørgen Jenssen, nu

    Claus Nou. ..ringe midler [have few means]

    [period 1712-1717] Knud Nielsen [he takes over the farm by marrying the widow Catharine Thomasdatter]

    Source (page 31): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=20146209#282586,55020366


    Det Fynske Rytterdistrikt

    Ruller og lister (1702-1714):

    Hr. Bregadier og Obrister Schack Brochdorf 1702:

    Ugersløf Sogn og Bye.

    [NB: no Claus Nau, as he is likely to old to be an active soldier]

    Source (page 83): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=20146359#282846,55088912

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  • Joellen McAlister
    Joellen McAlister ✭✭
    April 29, 2023

    Nils, I never expected you to do so much research! It's amazing and generous at the same time. It will take me a few days to be able to sort this out, so I may need to ask for clarification next week. Unfortunately, I'm not able to work on it before Sunday, but I'm sure looking forward to it! I really appreciate the extensive research and all of the source links you provided as well as your expert ability to translate even the most difficult records. You're an angel for sure!

    Joellen McAlister

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    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    April 29, 2023 bearbeitet April 29, 2023

    Hi Joellen.

    Happy to help!

    Just noticed I had put in a wrong link for the marriage in 1781 [have so many taps open], so here it is again with the correct link:


    Viet: 6. Oktober 1681 i Skeby Sogn.

    Claus ?Schnap/Schnar? Rytter og Anne Mortensdatter af ?Ørritslev? [Ørritslev is in Skeby Sogn]

    Source (page 55, bottom right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138367#181133,30753623

    Unclear if Schnap or Shhnar as it looks somewhat overwritten?!

    NB: They will get at least 6 children in Skeby Sogn (have found Mette Helvig, Hans, Margrethe, Rebecca, Johan & Lars), with him under the name of Claus Nog, Claus Noy or Claus Rytter (last one in 1691). "Schnap" is most likely an army name (modern Danish "snap" meaning "fast/quick").

    These children are (almost) the same names as occurs as inheritors of the former wife (unnamed in the probate) of Claus "Nau" in the probate of 1715....

    So it is between 1691-1693 where they move to Uggerslev, where Anne Mortensdatter died in 1693 and he remarries with Catharina Thomasdatter (Thomas Clausen born 1694 in Uggerslev is their first child).


    NB: His daughter in her marriage of 1712 is called Margrethe Clausdatter Schnar.


    Skeby Sogn.

    Viet: 24. Januar 1712 i Skeby Sogn.

    Hans ?Søvrenssøn? [= Sørensen] af Skibby og Margrethe Clausdatter Schnar af Øritzløf i Dominica Septuagesima dend 24. Januar.

    Source (page 60, left mid): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138367#181133,30753628

    NB: The probate after Claus "Nau" in 1715 tells that his daughter (baptised in 1686) Margrethe is married to Hans Sørensen, so it is definitely the correct daughter.


    Found the oldest child of Claus "of-many-names" which was out of wedlock.

    Skeby Sogn

    Dåb: 25. Marts 1681.

    Anne Mortensdatters Wægte [= uægte] barn ved nafn Dorithe [= Dorthe] af Øritzlef vor Frue dag udi Fasten som er dend 25. Martiis.

    ..udlagde en Rytter ?...? Claus Nog... [so the cavalryman Claus Nog is named as father of the child]

    Source (page 12, 2nd entry top left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138367#181133,30753580

    NB: The entry is very hard to read.

    Dorthe Clausdatter appears in the probate of Claus "Nau" in 1715 as married to Anders Christophersen [that means all the names of the children with Anne Mortensdatter in that probate is accounted for].


    Claus is first detected as "Claus Naa? Rytter og hans hustrue" in Uggerslev in January 1693 with his wife [she is buried 3rd February 1693).

    Source (page 103. left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138663#181804,30866411


    Cheers

    Niels

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  • kristinrichards1
    kristinrichards1 ✭
    May 1, 2023

    Niels I am Kristin Richards, who Joellen McAlister is helping. Thank you so much for the help on my family it very exciting to find family members so far back. Your research is amazing. I am so grateful to have the ability to expand my tree and learn more about where my ancestors are from. It may take us a month to add all this to the tree. We may have some additional questions or need for clarification as we go. I can see from other posts you are a huge benefit to folks researching their family tree.

    Thank you!!!

    Kristin Richards

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    May 8, 2023

    Hi Kristin.

    Happy to be able to help. 😀

    If you have any further question, just continue this thread!

    Cheers

    Niels

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  • Joellen McAlister
    Joellen McAlister ✭✭
    May 8, 2023

    Niels, We've been busy attaching sources, but this will take a long time for us to attach everything, because you have done so much research for us. We'll keep in touch.

    Thanks again!

    Joellen

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    May 9, 2023

    About Hans Jørgen Eriksen (father of Maren and Anne Hansdatter):


    Census 1787: Maribo, Lollands Sønder, Stokkemarke Sogn, Kiellernæs Bye, , 16, FT-1787, B5696

    Hans Jørgen Eriksen 33 Gift Hosbonde Bonde og Gaardmand   

    Kirstine Christophersdatter 29 Gift Kone    

    Maren Hansdatter 5 - Barn af sidste Ægteskab    

    Magrethe Hansdatter 2 - Barn af sidste Ægteskab    

    Anne Hansdatter 1 - Barn af sidste Ægteskab    

    Christen Jørgensen 32 Ugift Tienestekarl National Soldat   

    Lars Madsen 32 Ugift Tienestekarl    

    Maren Hansdatter 16 Ugift Tienestepige    

    Else Karstensdatter 14 Ugift Tienestepige  

    Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.


    Stokkemarke Sogn's church book. Baptism.

    Dominica Misericordia Domini [= 28. April 1754]: Hans Jørgen [Eriksen].

    Eric Hansens søn i Stokkemarke.

    Baaren af Marrgrethe Jørgensdatter [who carried Hans Jørgen at the baptism; is NOT the mother≠].

    Faddere: Christopher væver, Dorthe ?Olles?datter, Niels snedker i Stokkemarke og Ole Raaehauge i Taagerup.

    Source (page 59, right mid): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118784#156854,26297192


    Possible father:

    Matrikel 58a Stokkemarke.

    HF indtil 1775 Erik Hansen Fæster af matr. 73a Stokkemarke

    HF 1775 søn væver Anders Eriksen 1747(*sto-73a)-1829 (sto-73a>)

    h. Elisabeth Pedersdatter 1748-1830

    b. Ane Kathrine 1775, Hans 1777, Margrethe 1780,

    Maren Elisabeth 1783, Erik 1786, Kirstine 1790 (hav-21a>)

    Source (original page 288): http://hensch.dk/pdf/Stokkemarke%20sogn.pdf


    Matrikel 12a Stokkemarke.

    GF e.1750 Hans Eriksen Kaae 1744-1778 [these years seems wrong; is he the father of Erik Hansen?]

    h. NN 1714-1760

    GF 1773 Erik Hansen (>sto-73a)

    Source (original page 190): https://slaegtsbibliotek.dk/921770.pdf


    Matrikel 73a Stokkemarke:

    HF f.1750 Erik Hansen 1713-1783 (sto-12a>)

    1h. NN 1713-1778 [same years as Ellen Jacobsdatter below, so perhaps a mistake)

    b. Anders 1747, Hans Jørgen 1754 (kel-8a>)

    2h. Ellen Jacobsdatter 1713-1778 [same years as NN above, so perhaps a mistake]

    1775 Samme afstår fæste af husmandsstedet matr. 58 a Stokkemarke [to his son Anders Eriksen (1747-1829)]

    HF 1779 søn Hans Jørgen Eriksen Fæster af matr. 8 a Keldernæs

    HF 1786 broder væver Anders Eriksen (>sto-58a)

    Source (original page 319): https://slaegtsbibliotek.dk/921770.pdf


    Matrikel 8c Keldernæs (= kel-8a):

    GF indtil 1784 Søren Vestens enke

    GF 1784 Hans Jørgen Eriksen 1754 (*sto-73a)-

    1h. NN 1744-1780

    2h. Kirstine Christoffersdatter 1758-

    b. Maren 1782, Margrethe 1785, Anne 1786

    1779 Samme overtaget faderens fæste på ejendommen matr. 73 a Stokkemarke - afstået igen 1786

    Source (original page 315): https://slaegtsbibliotek.dk/921770.pdf


    So Hans Jørgen Eriksen's father was according to these informations Erik Hansen (1713-1783).

    With his 1st wife unnamed got the sons Anders (in 1747) and Hans Jørgen (in 1754), then later remarried with Ellen Jacobsdatter.

    Hans Jørgen Eriksen's 1st wife is unnamed and his 2nd wife is Kirstine Christoffersdatter -> we also know that he remarried again 3rd time with widow Karen Jørgensdatter in 24. August 1815 in Fejø Sogn.

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    May 9, 2023

    Begravet 10. Maj 1778 i Stokkemarke Sogn.

    Erik Hansens hustru i Stockemarke. 65 Aar.

    Source (page 247, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118784#156855,26297544

    NB: The death of 1st wife (unnamed).


    Trolovet: 5. Juni 1778.

    Viet: 19. Oktober 1778 Stokkemarke Sogn.

    Erich Hansen, enkemand i Stochemarche & Ellen Jacobs datter, pige fra Stochemarche.

    Source (page 295, right, bottom): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118784#156855,26297592


    Begravet 4. Marts 1783 i Stokkemarche Sogn.

    Erick Hansen i Stockemarcke. 70 Aar.

    Source (page 251, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118784#156855,26297548

    NB: No Probate under Knuthenborg Gods.

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  • Joellen McAlister
    Joellen McAlister ✭✭
    May 21, 2023

    Niels,

    I'm still working on all of the information you sent and was trying to figure out a probate for Claus Nau:

    First Funen National Cavalry Regiment.

    1. regiments skifteprotokol (1710-1718): [Military Probate]

    Anno 1715 on 28 March .....General-Major Chrestian Juel's Cuirasser Regiment deployed Ryttergaard udi Uggerslef.....

    .. departed Claus Nau ..

    ..survived wife Catharina Thomesdatter ..

    Sons:

    Thomas Clausen, 21 Aar.

    Source (page 210, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17070972#282541,55011361

    So he was a cuirassier in the "1st. Funen national Cavalry Regiment" under Generalmajor Juel.

    Cuirassiers were heavy cavalry with armoured breastplates [the shock troops on the battle field up and including the Napoleonic wars]

    Your Conclusion:

    Claus Nogs/Nau/Nov/Snou/Schnar [enormous spelling variations] (died 1715) & Catharina Thomesdatter

    Thomas Clausen (1694 -1747) & Magdalene Hansdatter.

    Claus Thomasen (1723-1800) & Karen Larsdatter (-1782)

    Thomas Clausen (1748-1795) & Bodil Hansdatter.

    Claus Thomsen/Thomesen (1782-1842) & Ane Hansdatter (1790-1842).

    Question: Would you mind translating anything pertaining to his wife and children -- such as age, where they are living and any other relationships? It looks like a wonderful, informative probate about the family!

    Thanks so much!

    Joellen

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