Need Help Finding Bratrejov 1794 Birth Record - Thomas Kasparek
Hello all .. I am trying to locate my 4th great grandfather's birth record. His name was Thomas Kasparek and I believe he was born in 1794 or 1795. I've located his marriage record from Aug 29, 1820 (wife was Marianna Chudarek, born Dec 14 1802 in Lhotsko ) ( ) and his death record from Apr 28, 1854 ( ). Additionally, I have found birth records for children between 1821 and 1841, including that of my 3rd great grandfather, Pavel in 1823 ( ). In the birth record for one of the children, Frantiska in 1841 ( ), it looks like it says that Thomas' father's name was Johann.
In all of the records I have found so far, it appears that the family was from Bratrejov and the house number in many of the records is 95 (though the marriage record from 1820 says house number of the groom was 68).
If there is someone that can assist in finding the birth record for Thomas, I would be most appreciative. Additionally, I am also searching for the death record for Marianna Chudarek.
Thanks!
Liz
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Found him. right side bottom I will look for Marianna Chudarek later today.
Betseylee Browning
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Marianna's death is on the left side bottom There is an index at the end of this record set. They have her surname as Kaspar in the index. It would be wonderful if you could enter the family on FamilySearch. You might make more progress because FamilySearch is indexing the Czechia births.
Betseylee
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Thank you so much for your help! I think the birth record for Thomas Kasparek from 1795 is definitely him and wonder if you could tell me if his mother's name is mentioned. I am not 100% sure about the death record for Marianna Chudarek Kasparek though. I have her parents as Pavil and Barbara Prawdzk and this death record appears to have different parents names for her. I also believe Marianna was born in 1802 based on her birth record and the marriage record from 1820.
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You are welcome. Yes, I agree it is not the right Marianna. The index for deaths for the K surnames is found here. I do not see anyone else that matches her. The surname of Thomas' mother is Dubtschak.
Betseylee
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Thank you again for all of your help. Over the years I've become much more proficient at researching and translating documents, but definitely still need some help from time to time 😊 I will keep looking for the death record of Marianna - it must be out there somewhere! I appreciate the translation on Thomas' mother's last name. Does the birth record give any other useful info such as her first name, cause of death - anything like that?
Liz
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Thomas' mother's first name is Anna. No other additional info. You are very welcome.
Betseylee
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Hoping you can help me out again - I think I found a marriage record for Johann Kasparek and Anna Dubtschak from November 1793 here: (1st entry on page 21, top right side). It's House 23 which appears consistent. It says Anna was 17 and Johann was either 47 or 17 (meaning he was born in 1746 or 1776). I searched for births for this couple and found several ranging from 1795 to 1804 (including of course the one for my ancestor, Thomas from 1795 mentioned above). There is also one from 1785 but I think that may be another wife of Johann because Anna would have only been 9 in 1785. And there is one from 1804 here (towards the bottom on the right side). Additionally, there is a Franz born to Johann Kasparek in February 1812 here (middle right side). It is House 23, but it looks like a different mother's name, not Anna's. So I then searched for Anna's possible death and found this from April 1808 (second entry on left side). It doesn't really look like Dubtschak but it does look like it says Johann Kasparek and says Anna was 30 which would mean she was born in 1778 (marriage record says 1776 so pretty close). I then searched for another marriage for Johann and found this from July 1808 (first entry on left side). I can't read the wife's name but it does look similar to the mother's name in the birth record for Franz from February 1812. But in this 1808 marriage record it says Johann is 23 which would mean he was born in 1785. Something doesn't add up because if the 1793 marriage record to Anna Dubtschak that I found (first mentioned above) is correct, he could not have been born in 1785 as the second marriage record suggests.
Would you mind taking a peek at these records to let me know if I'm on the right track or not? I really appreciate all of your help and assistance! Thank you in advance! 😀
Liz
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You may be looking at a son of the Johann Kasparek who married Anna Dubzak/Dubtschak in the 1808 wedding entry.
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Wedding Record:
1793, November 5th – House 23
Groom: Kasparek Johann, citizen – 47 years
Bride: Anna, daughter of Dubzak Thomas, successor judge, of. Bratyejov – 17 yearsBurial Record:
1808, April 20th – Anna wife of Johann Kasparek, citizen and smith, – 30 yearsMarriage Record:
House 23
Groom: Johann, son of Johann Kasparek, citizen and smith, 23 years old
Bride: Elisabeth, daughter of Martin Nowatschek, cloth worker, 20 years oldBaptism Record:
1812, February 28th
Child: Franz († – the child probably died within the day)
Father. Johann Kasparek, smith
Mother: Elisabeth, daughter of Martin Nowatschek, cloth worker0 -
StH31: Please, I need a name for you. Do you have a nickname? Thanks so much for all of your help. I appreciate you. Betseylee Browning
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@StH31 Thank you for all your help in the community. I see you help with German. Is there other languages that you know?
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Thank you, I appreciate that; I learn a lot from looking through others' records, so it helps me as well. My name's Stella. :)
@LaRue Turner I know a good bit of Latin, when I put my mind to it. ;) But I don't know enough of any other language at the moment to be called an expert, sorry.
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Thank you all so very much! I really appreciate all of the help. As a follow up, I think I found the birth record in 1785 for Johann (son of Johann and Anna, married to Elisabeth in 1808) here . It shows House #23 and I can see the father's name is Johann Kasparek but I don't see a mother's name. Is one listed? It cannot be Anna as she was born in 1776 so she would have only been 9 years old in 1785. That would mean that there was a wife before Anna that I will look for now.
Also, what does the "2" indicate in each column in this 1785 birth record for Johann?
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@Liz Chace The mother's name Rosina. And you're looking at the baptism entry of twins (Zwillinge) Franz and Johannes which is why there's 2s for them: They're both catholic, both male, both legitimate.
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Good job on sleuthing. Yes, Johannes is a widower in the marriage record for Johannes Kasparek and Anna Dubtschak. It is found in the last column on the left side of his info (Row 8) .
Betseylee
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Thanks Stella for your help.
Betseylee
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Thank you once again! This gives me a good foundation to now search for the marriage record of Johann and Rosina and then the death record for Rosina. Then, hopefully those records will provide enough to help me search for the birth and death record for Johann.
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